"Sharia taxi driver told me i was disgustingly dressed" says actress.

[HelenaDove]

It apparently happened after an awards ceremony.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331164/Sharia-taxi-driver-told-disgustingly-dressed-BBC-star-Frances-Barber-tells-accosted-Uber-employee-showbusiness-awards-ceremony.html

Our values which require a rewriting of history....

Why can't we have values Fanjo?

What are these values?
And what happens to non-Muslims who don't agree with them?

"We" don't have some universal values which are different to those of the majority Muslims. Well I don't. You don't speak for me

What's this "our values" nonsense

See, Fanjo. I have some problems with what Drastic has posted but why do you pick out the idea that the UK has some collective societal values as the bit that's 'nonsense'?

Tolerance, democracy and queuing nicely, isn't it?

Tolerance? I doubt that after reading this thread tbh.

Imo the too PC thing is a red herring, personally I think it's used to dismiss facts and as a shield for people who are too pathetic to do their jobs properly it can also be used to incite intolerant speech and behavior ..in short it's bollocks.

What you have to ask is why does Political Correctness as a concept exist? - mainly because people can be intolerant ignorant prats

sorry I should have linked, I was referring to the segregation of women and men, I am particualry thinking about the election when a Labour candidate went to speak and behind were the men and women divided.

But I don't like the segregation of men and women at mosques either.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22889727 < about mosques for all genders and sexuality etc

On another thread someone has posted an article from a local paper about a female governor being separated from men and only allowed to speak from a door way or something, and students having access to sexist literature.

That sort of thing.

But surely society has to have values? Otherwise it wouldn't be a society would it? Surely common values bind people together? Don't values create religion and law and civilisation?

Ffs. We aren't allowed values now? That's me done with this thread. Good night ladies.

Your obviously aiming at the 'little englander' trope fanjo

It's seen as shameful or politically divisive to disseminate things such as the rule of law, personal freedom, free markets, etiquette/manners, (real) tolerance, Iron Maiden etc.

The majority of this country's population have a pretty well defined value set in terms of key points - Democracy, rule of law, personal freedom etc.

This is what people are talking about when they say British values, not whether you use words in a certain way or who your favourite rock band is.
These are the fundamental bedrocks of our society.

If we all held the same total values, we would dress, talk and do the same. Just because someone likes Boden or iron maiden and I don't doesn't mean we don't share key values, just because someone from the north says tea and I say dinner doesn't mean it either.

I have no idea what the agenda is of people who try to say there are no defining values of people within this country because we all don't believe everything that everyone else does.

But on the same vein that doesn't mean we should wilfully ignore certain inconsistencies or use broad brush statements on anyone.

Tolerance? I doubt that after reading this thread tbh.

Well it's a complete tangle isn't it? People saying bizarre things. Posters at cross purposes and starting from different starting assumptions that are hard to discern.

Threads on here always end up that way. And highly polarised.

I don't recognise anything from my RL in the way these things go on here. But in RL my social group have been very multicultural since toddlerhood. The idea that we can't tell Shazia she's out of order when she's being out of order (for fear of fomenting islamaphobia) doesn't really work in my head.

Then, one wanders into MN world where somehow Islam is now magically a factor in Xenia's anti-everything, pro-work crusade, other people are doggedly insisting Frances Barber is lying because what motivation could she possibly have for saying such an incident happened and owl is insisting that she made her '90% of pakistani men become taxi drivers' remark out of respect and admiration for taxi drivers and boom your head explodes.

It's all very complex when you start trying to read past the surface and work out where the hell everyone is coming from.

I am starting to think I'd have 70% plus hit rate if tried to pick out which posters had a mono-cultural upbringing, whether their remarks now are well meaning or otherwise.

(Apols to anyone on the thread who happens to be called Shazia )

Yes, one of my DC uses a SEN transport taxi Owl. But, no, the rest of your train of thought has never entered my head. Please stop digging. Stereotyping people wildly by ethnicity is not something common amongst parents of SEN children, thanks very much

I never said Frances barber was lying either
And I thought we weren't supposed to mention that the person who is xenia and sounds like xenia is xenia

Down with this kind of thing

The use of the 'Taxi driver' quote is also a red herring...

for your aggression and cutting off from 'normal' people having an ordinary discussion

Owl please stop attacking me and reflect on the logic of what you are saying. What you are doing is unconscious prejudice. I can grudgingly believe now (after your multiple explanatory posts) that you don't 'mean any harm' (whatever that means) but you are being shockingly racist. Stances like yours give the rest of us a bad name.

I have a fiend who is quite open about the fact that she believes that ALL white people are racist. It's because of people similar to yourself who smile, offer tea and cake and say outrageously racist/prejudiced/xenophobic things.

Please recognise that that IS what you have done.

I never said Frances barber was lying either

I didn't say you did.

The use of the 'Taxi driver' quote is also a red herring...

Why?

I was just giving three disparate examples of the more extreme views on the thread.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331735/Muslim-abused-thug-Newcastle-train-rescued-fellow-passengers.html

^ Its obv awful and not acceptable, I just wanted to show one story where people did defend alone girl who was being picked on. There are good people out there too.

I have no doubt where I live, if anyone saw a similar situ, there would be support also.

We do have values - tolerance, democracy, the rule of law, freedom of speech, even freedom of mock Jesus and Mo, being polite.

If there is a tension because some religions are at odds with that and have engrained sexism and homophobia then we are allowed to criticise those religions. There are some countries in the world where you can be killed if you renounce Islam - 9 - it's the law. those countries tend to have the values we have in the UK. Some people are happier in those other countries and some here.

And I thought we weren't supposed to mention that the person who is xenia and sounds like xenia is xenia
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Down with this kind of thing

Well HQ can slap my wrist if they want to. She outs herself. Every time.

I'm more concerned about the feelings of Katarzyna and other Muslim SAHMs and keen that they should know the context to those posts.

I have had Muslim female colleagues they were pharmacists.

So many Pakistani Muslim families are extremely ambitious for their children, male and female. These children work hard at school. Their parents work hard sometimes at two jobs trying to give their kids a better future. Others are already prospering. They do not want their children to drive cabs.

Well in the spirit of the thread, we can pick apart that article too.

Everyone seems to want to be anon when commenting apart from on one website, where there are suddenly several people who just happen to claim to have been there. On a website asking for funding for a documentary on "Islamaphobia".
www.thegreatdiversion.org/2015/11/22/racism-metro-carriage

Caveat: I'm not diminishing this article, I've had one passing comment made to me this week, the situation does bring out the fuckwits, and to be honest I would expect if from him anyway (and no he isn't white) but in the theme of thread don't believe everything printed first hand.

I don't doubt you ubik
You are right strawberry. I do need to look at my logic and take it on board.
I was just trying to explain (and I am extremely sleep deprived) but I feel uncomfortable with what I have wrote, reading it back, so I'll take it on board.

Why are people defending this disgusting man?

Again, if anything like this happens to me I will tell every single person I know and put it on facebook what happened.

Then I would report the twat to his employer and tell them that until he was sacked I would continue to badmouth their company and tell all my friends and acquaintances not to use their firm.

As an aside I don't often use taxis but haven't had any problems with them either. But I don't get in taxis alone , unless it is a local trusted taxi firm and I know the driver.

I imagine that being faced with my oh would stop anyone from spouting their mouth off to me tbh.