Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

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Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

Look as far as I am concerned the stuff with faberge is resolved. I understand that for some people prayer is something they feel compelled to do. I made two requests, not to pray for me and if that is not something you feel you can do to accept that puts you in conflict with people. Faberge chose the second option.

If a God worshipper prays for me, the least I can do is offer a prayer to Satan for them too. Fair's fair.

"You can't stop people praying for you."

No. But you can ask them not to and you should have a reasonable expexpctation of having your wishes respected. I asked a friend to remove my name from the prayer list at her church and she complied.

The thing is, it's that "on, it's harmless" line that's always trotted out "oh, it's only a little bit of praying in school" "oh, there aren't that many faith schools" "oh, yes there are a few bishops in the House of Lords"......

It's all part of the edifice of Christian privilege in this country.

As long as the UK is officially a Christian country, I have no problem with major religious festivals being recognised in secular establishments. My understanding was that the cinema chain had agreed with the advert and only pulled out after it had been made - very irritating for the CofE.

strange unprincipled stance. you are happy for a flawed system to persist because it exists?

A lot of intolerance as usual towards Christians. People seem a lot more tolerant towards other faiths. Either that or they're afraid to say. I am tolerant af all faiths including those who get called to prayers in the middle of the working day. Can you imagine the outcry if Christians did that.

Show me where anyone has been intolerant towards Christians who are not trying to impose themselves on non Christians.

And if there was an obligation for Christians to pray at lunchtime, it would be statutorily built into the working day. As Christian holidays are. And employers would probably have to build a special room for them to do it- rather than being shunted off to the first aid room or a store room.

I'm not talking about particular incidences, just the general vocal hostility and intolerance. No other religion on here is spoke about in such an insulting way. I find it a bit strange.

You can't accuse people of being intolerant without giving examples.

"No other religion on here is spoke about in such an insulting way"
This is absolute rubbish. It's just something people say without thinking.

I'm not talking about particular incidences, just the general vocal hostility and intolerance. No other religion on here is spoke about in such an insulting way. I find it a bit strange.

the topic of this thread is the C of E response to certain incident. While other religions enter in tangentially, they aren't part of the main conversation.

and if Christianity is given special treatment by critics, that's with the back drop that it's given special treatment in society.

But all you have to do is go to a thread about islam and find hostility towards it. In fact, the hostility towards religion is usually focussed on the ones that try and push their beliefs on others. I hear no hostility towards buddhists or jains on MN.

it would be statutorily built into the working day.

indeed. Do Christians think that christmas and easter are holidays coincidentally? What luck!

Just read through the posts, there's your examples. Or try googling examples of intolerance towards Christianity. You'll be there a long time. Don't pretend it doesn't happen.

Don't pretend it doesn't happen.

no one is claiming it doesn't happen, but you claimed it is happening here, on this thread. To reiterate Bertrand's question, where?

Redstrawberry I bet you enjoy the time off for Christmas and Easter. Apart from that yes they are built into the Christian calendar. I wonder why? Hmm, oh yes it's because we are a Christian country. Why the heck shouldn't we celebrate. The great thing is though, we are also one of the most tolerant countries in the world. We allow other religions to flourish. Try going to the Middle East and do that.

What do mean where? I've just said, read the thread. How hard can that be.

"Just read through the posts, there's your examples."

No. You say it's happening- it's up to you to give examples.

I bet you enjoy the time off for Christmas and Easter.

I do. So what?

Apart from that yes they are built into the Christian calendar. I wonder why? Hmm, oh yes it's because we are a Christian country. Why the heck shouldn't we celebrate.

I am not saying you shouldn't celebrate. I am saying you should stop pretending christians in this country are some kind of oppressed group. Acknowledge your privilege, and recognize its part of the reason why people are hostile to christianity here. Even better than acknowledging it, why not help to correct the imbalance?

Here's a couple I can recall, likening religion to kids believing in Santa

but that's not specific to christianity. No one is saying believing in the Christian god is like believing in Santa, but believing in Allah is like believing in gravity.

Bertrand you're being a big childish. It's the general theme on most threads. Do you want me to be copying and pasting all day?
Redstrawberry so you recognise there is hostility then?.....and all because we take time off for Christmas and Easter? I would have thought this was the least of reasons to be hostile to Christianity.
You're asking me to redress the balance?
The U.K. is more balanced and tolerant to other religions than most other countries in the world. What would you have us do? abandon our faith?
I am grateful to live in a Christian country, without Christianity we wouldn't enjoy the liberties and freedom of speech that so many of us take for granted.

That's what really gets me about these threads. Some people read 'religion' as 'Christianity only' then complain their religion is being singled out. I have problems with all religions, and I will not apologise for describing them as fictional, in my view. If I have a specific problem with Christianity, it's the structural privilege if commands in this country and the assumption that if you're talking about religion, you're having a go at Christians.

It's quite possible to think a religion is a made up waste of time while having a lot of
time for many of its adherents.

As for criticism of Islam being absent - follow me around the boards a bit. I think all religions are equally problematic and with potential for damage and division.

I think a few of us had a good old go at all the conceptions of god in the Abrahamic faiths upthread. I seem to recall describing him/them (according to your taste) as an inconsistent arsehole.