Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

[Leafitout]

Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

I like to frame my thoughts in prayer. I am thinking what I like when I am silently praying.

That indicates that you are choosing to pray in this way. Therefore you can choose not to when people ask you not to.

Keeping quiet about the fact that you are intentionally disrespecting someone else's wishes is certainly dishonest.

I was taught (by Christians) that Jesus was a radical in his time, not someone that if we lived in contemporary time we'd generally see as tolerant and lovely, but disruptive and challenging. In ways that we now see as generally good, but not really 'gentle Jesus'.

God, from all accounts was/is a bit of a bastard. Who knows what god's views are on anything. If he was as real as the OT god then I think he'd be busy smiting and plaguing current society on all sorts of fronts. In fact he probably woudl have wiped most of us out by now, possibly several times over.

I find it difficult to reconcile the old and new testament positions on god. I was fascinated to see my father's priest carefully selecting which verses of OT to use at his funeral, acknowledging that some verses would be thought wholly unacceptable now.

On prayer I don't much care what Christians think in their heads, so long as they don't tell me that they are praying for me because I find that patronising and irritating. I do find my mother's new habit to say grace really really annoying. She knows that all my family are atheist but still wants us to hold hands while she says her prayer. I hate being forced to participate in her belief ceremony even though she knows it makes us very uncomfortable.

"Why would you not allow me to frame my thoughts, concerning anything, anyone and everything, towards Him in prayer"

Because I don't want you to involve me in that. I do not want you talking to someone about me if I have asked you not to.

But as I said, you particular brand of Christianity is the arrogant, I'm all right Jack type that gives Christians a bad name.

Offred but I don't think me praying is wrong, if I did, I wouldn't pray.

I would be a bit pissed off to be subjected to the lords prayer if I went to the cinema as I don't want other people's religious beliefs rammed down my throat however, considering the other methods that are being employed in the name of religion this one is low on my list of irritants atm.

I would have thought they would show a little more diplomacy in light of recent events, unless they see this as an opportunity to recruit some more christians in the battle against terrorists Islam.

Clearly you don't think it is wrong to pray for people even though you've been asked not to.

That isn't what I asked.

Do you think your religious practice is exempted from criticism or from ever being seen as wrong because as a religious practice it is beyond criticism. Do you apply special ethical standards particularly to your religious practice that you don't in general life re people finding out about things?

See I completely disagree.

If someone was secretly transphobic but never told you, just told other people, and you never found out I don't think you'd say no harm was done and it was ok.

Well I think you can speak for your own feelings about prayers said for you. I don't think you can tell me I'm not harmed by this behaviour just because I'll never know.

Offred clearly my religious practice is open to criticism, here you are criticising it. I don't know what you are getting at, regarding 'ethical standards' but mine are the same for religious practice as they are generally. Allowing people automony of their own thoughts is generally deemed acceptable IME.

Someone disliking you because you are trans and telling other people that is not discrimination. It is highly unpleasant and offensive but if they never actually discriminate against you it is not discrimination is it? It's just disrespectful and offensive to you that they'd speak about you behind your back and keep their feelings from you...

Because it is disrespectful

Because I do not want people to co-opt me into their religious practices against my will.

You don't need to feel that way yourself to respect the fact I feel that way.

Capsium - so you generally think that things only become wrong when people find out about them and object?

And you are perfectly able to square that view with ignoring someone's request not to pray for them?

Religious violence is real and it is perpetrated by people who believe they have a right to impose their religious beliefs and practices on others.