Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

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Ah, telling me what to post now, how to engage in discussion Offred.

But of course, you would have it I am the one imposing because I frame my thoughts as prayer.

Because there is a cultural element to perception, myother?

What? Are you saying that it's culturally acceptable to believe in a god so therefore that's okay regardless of the fact that if anyone came up with the idea now they would be on medication, tolerated as an eccentric or locked up if they tried to force that view on anyone else?

If so then I totally agree with you.

I still say though that the fact that you have decided in your head that you can't separate out thoughts from prayers since you are apparently praying to yourself, doesn't excuse you of being rude and arrogant for continuing to say that you will pray for someone despite being asked, on numerous occasions, not to.

How does your right to pray for someone trump their right not to be prayed for?

I do not agree that asking someone not to pray for them is an attack on their freedom of thought. I think you are disingenuous to keep framing it in those terms.

I despise that kind of behaviour by people of any belief - it is an utter abuse of any kind of rule concerning protection of belief.

I am not telling you what to post. I am complaining at your constant attempts to manufacture a complaint where there is none.

Tbh, I strongly suspect whatever I said would displease you, Offred.

I am surprised you are concerned with protecting belief, though, as an atheist.

Why wouldn't an atheist be concerned with protection for belief?

You feel I have some personal issue with you. That's your prerogative. If you would rather believe that this is about you personally than reflect on your stated beliefs about your own religious practice and how they undermine protection for belief then go ahead.

Katarzyna, I don't like anyone trying to sell me something at the door I guess! I like a good theological discussion but I find the proselytisers round here aren't up for a chat - more interested telling me why I'm wrong.

But I'm probably most grumpy about it intruding on my maternity leave, tbh. No one should expect me to get up, out my boob away and answer the door!

"So I can't think what I like, Bertrand? Do you have any restrictions on what is considered acceptable in the way you think, Bertrand?"

You ask me not to talk about you to a particular friend of mine- I won't do it.

I ask you not to talk about me to a particular friend of yours- I expect you not to. Simple.

I am surprised you are concerned with protecting belief, though, as an atheist

Why?

Offred it is about me personally because I am a product of my beliefs.

Bertrand I don't ask you not to think about me though. I don't always speak out loud when I pray.

But you are talking about me to God. Who you believe exists. So it is exactly the same as me talking about you to a friend of mine. Which I won't do if you ask me not to.

No, asking you not to pray for me is not an attack on you personally. It is deeply unfortunate and unreasonable that you would see it that way.

Ego I follow Jesus, who you acknowledge as tolerant, caring and as treating equally and fairly. Why would you not allow me to frame my thoughts, concerning anything, anyone and everything, towards Him in prayer?

Gruntled I just wouldn't tell you, I was praying for you, if I suspected it might cause any serious distress.

But that would be incredibly dishonest, capsium. Is that really preferable to, simply, refraining from praying for the person in question? Is that christian?

Because they way you choose to pray for people despite a request not to is deeply disrespectful of other people and their beliefs.

No-one is stopping you btw.

People are just pointing out that it is disrespectful.

Gruntled it's neither honest nor dishonest. It just not mentioning what I pray about, privately, to people I think would be seriously distressed by it.

And the gold medal for intellectual gymnastics goes to...

Gruntled tbh I suspect if your hypothetical belief system existed (re. The damnation caused by others praying to a god, other than the one believed in the hypothetical belief system), it would necessitate isolation away from people with different religious beliefs.

No, what it would require is ordinary consideration by those with different religious beliefs so that they exclude the individual concerned from their prayers. If they can't exercise sufficient self-control to avoid major distress to another individual, then if they are christians they are not showing christian kindness.

What else do you think is only wrong if people find out about it?

I'd do what I could to help you practically too, Ego.

Are there other things you only consider wrong if people find out about them capsium or is it just a special privilege for religious practice that means that particular behaviour is exempt from your usual ethical standards?