Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

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Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

However the low point of the thread has to be "My son says..." If I cared what your son thought, I'd be on SonsNet.

I don't know, at least there's a chance that's based in fact, unlike 'average atheists think' and some interesting ideas about numbers of non-religious folk having their kids baptised which were out and out fantasy.

Gruntled tbh I suspect if your hypothetical belief system existed (re. The damnation caused by others praying to a god, other than the one believed in the hypothetical belief system), it would necessitate isolation away from people with different religious beliefs.

"ego I know you don't riducle others but some posters do take the piss out of religious people excessively. If it was about Islam, for example, there would quite rightly be outrage."

No there wouldn't. Islam and Muslims is mocked and ridiculed all the time. For example. An ex acquaintance of mine posted a picture of a dog on Facebook. The caption was "I bit a Muslim this morning. I had to lick my arse for half an hour to take the taste away" I reported it and Facebook left it up- telling me that it did not violate any of their policies or guidelines.

The "you wouldn't say that about Islam" line is utter utter bollocks.

Why would it?

What is more reasonable - expecting someone not to pray for someone who doesn't wish to be prayed for or expecting people to be sent away to live somewhere else to avoid people who praying ever knowing of their existence and therefore praying for them?

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Yes I understand that, but the problem is with beliefs, whether it's in God, or your gender, or your sexuality is other people often aren't tolerant becuase they don't agree with you.^

I'm quite uncomfortable with describing eg sexuality as a 'belief'. That aside, I think the greatest risk of intolerance comes when people expect others to respect their beliefs, rather than their right to hold those beliefs.

For example, I think all religions are equally misguided. However some religions incorporate beliefs that I find more abhorrent than other religions, and some religions seek more of an influence over my life than others.

I am not required to respect anyone's beliefs that relate to religion, any more than I'm required to respect anyone's beliefs in homeopathy, or anything else that exists without evidence.

And just as I object to state funding for homeopathy, I object to any religion seeking influence on my life - and that includes how state resources are used, or any region having a privileged status in lawmaking, education and healthcare.

And if religious folk could stop knocking on my door, that'd be ace.

For me it is not the beliefs but the manifestation of them I sometimes have a problem with.

For example; believe all you want that I am a sinner and my soul will not be saved unless I turn to Jesus, say it to me if you want and give me a right to reply but do not pray for the salvation of my soul and do not get pissy that your rights are being infringed if I do not accept your prayer.

What is more reasonable - expecting someone not to pray for someone who doesn't wish to be prayed for or expecting people to be sent away to live somewhere else to avoid people who praying ever knowing of their existence and therefore praying for them?

Offred I would tend to be pragmatic and think of terms of what is realistic. If you encounter and interact with other religions there is a risk they might pray for or about you.

Do you think it is more realistic to expect a whole group of people to be excluded from society because of your religious practice or for limits to be placed on your practice of your religion?

Offred I think it is realistic not to attempt to 'police' what somebody thinks and how they direct their thoughts.

jacey 1 of my brothers is anti religion although hes not said hes not muslim. he does believe in A god and likes debates. Ironically hes willing to listen to doorstep preachers of any faith. So weve had many christian preachers at ours for tea. My mum thought it was a great occasion she thght it was funny these folks trying to convert my bro, she was too busy making pakoras andcsweets to give them, to care.

The mormons took a particular liking to us we had sessions many wknds lol

I find it interesting too to be honest more than what was happened in re classes

Ive had them come to mine since but my husband doesnt have timr forvthem or foorstep sales. Hed freak if i let them in hes so abrupt i dont know how to br

Think what you like.

I am asking you not to pray.

I don't see why faith should get special treatment over any other patently ridiculous belief.

Why is the person who believes his pet hamster is talking to him deemed to be mad when someone who believes there is an invisible being talking to them is tolerated purely on the basis that at some point way back, someone managed to convince enough people that they weren't mad?

Not only are they tolerated, they are allowed to infringe on others lives and given special privilege. It would be funny if it wasn't actually what is happening.

am i really reading someone comparing "trans privilege" to the privilege enjoyed by the C of E?

that's a new one.

Think what you like.

I am asking you not to pray.

Offred what I like to think often involves an internal conversation with God, in other words my thought is prayer. I like to frame my thoughts in prayer. I am thinking what I like when I am silently praying.

Why is the person who believes his pet hamster is talking to him deemed to be mad when someone who believes there is an invisible being talking to them is tolerated purely on the basis that at some point way back, someone managed to convince enough people that they weren't

Because there is a cultural element to perception, myother?

". I like to frame my thoughts in prayer"

Good for you. Just don't do that when you're thinking about someone who doesn't want to be prayed for.

Oh and "Christian bashing" tends to mean "not allowing Christians to do and say anything they like without challenge"

I understand your views on it perfectly:

I am still asking you not to pray, I am still not asking you not to think.

So I can't think what I like, Bertrand? Do you have any restrictions on what is considered acceptable in the way you think, Bertrand?

You shouldn't impose your religious practices or your beliefs on others as you know. Stop trying to reframe the discussion as an attack on your freedom of thought.