Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

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Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

Minnie, I think it would be helpful if you actually gave some specific examples. You're being cryptic in a way that is coming across as having an agenda, which I assume is not your goal?

No other belief system in this country has the kind of special privilege afforded to the CofE.

Yes in England and wakes, that is not UK wide . I'm not actually suggesting that's right, but I was under the impression no one was forced to take part in these acts of worship?

Anyway, I must pop off now, as you were

Anything else is just hair splitting.

Yes in England and wakes, that is not UK wide confused. I'm not actually suggesting that's right, but I was under the impression no one was forced to take part in these acts of worship?

No - but you're surely not suggesting that all other faiths and none are treated equally to Christianity, or that Christianity isn't afforded a privileged status in schools? Which is the argument people have been making. Making children opt out of a statutory part of the school day is not affording them equal treatment.

I'm assuming that by leaving the th war, you don't have any actual examples of what you've been referring to? Lovely.

Thread. Not th war!

And aren't Christians persistently told on MN that we have no right to be offended? And yet here you are, frothing and offended at the thought of a Christian praying for you because you really would rather they didn't.

That is utterly irrelevant unless you can demonstrate that the people posting on this thread have said that Christians have no right either to be offended or not to be offended - which you can't. And see above about what the use of the term "frothing" says about the user.

I'm with Jassy, I don't really care if you want to waste your time praying to your mythical being about me, though on the whole it would be polite if those prayers weren't predicated on my being a miserable sinner in need of salvation. But I wonder what the situation would be if my belief system were such that to have someone praying about me to their god would be deeply blasphemous, to the extent that I would believe myself to be damned everlastingly as a result? If that were the case, Capsium, would you respect the fact that your expressed inability to stop yourself praying for me would cause me massive distress?

Surely a thought is an internal thing and a prayer is meant to be directed externally and therefore they are different things?

myother, part of Christian belief involves believing God is 'in' the believer, so not (only) external.

The position would be that their religion trumps another person's beliefs because praying is an act of love...

So if it can be both internal and external then regardless, it is within the persons own power to choose to not pray for someone if explicitly asked.

myother how so?

To be fair some people with very particular beliefs may not be able to separate any aspect of their life from the act of prayer.

This should not be the problem of the person with a different belief. If your religion is incompatible with respect for other people then I expect you, at least, to understand this puts you in conflict with other people.

Many religious people do not feel as though belief or any aspect of their belief is a choice.

They feel compelled. There is no choice.

I don't think this absolves anyone of the consequences of their actions for other people though or of their responsibilities to society.

"If you are the type who offers every thought/act to 'God' in prayer I would request you at least consider the effect this may have on others"

But if you're an atheist, then you believe prayers do nothing. So how on earth can someone praying, in private about you, but unbeknownst to you, have any impact on you whatsoever?

That makes no sense.

Comparisons being made to ISIS are akin to Godwin's Law and are equally invalid.

However the low point of the thread has to be "My son says..." If I cared what your son thought, I'd be on SonsNet.

I think I've explained how it affects me several times. I see it as deeply disrespectful. Nothing will happen as a result of it other than I will have been disrespected. It doesn't mean that asking someone not to pray for me is an unreasonable thing to do.

The comparison to ISIS is entirely fair IMO. That is what happens when religious people who believe in a one true faith and have no respect for other beliefs take things to the extreme. They are the same fundamental beliefs that your faith trumps other people's.

I'm perfectly tolerant of any religion or belief up until the point it begins trying to impose itself on me.

"Recent threads, even if Minnie wasn't specifying them have identified trans individuals who have expected and been granted special privileges."

Like what?

incidentally, I'm think MinnieDriver dropping hints then "popping off"'with a utterly despicable behaviour.

If people refuse to be conscious of the relatively small negative effects of their religious impositions they are vulnerable to bigger infringements. It's not Islam that is the problem with ISIS but fundamentalism within Islam which begins with the view that their belief is superior. Likewise it is not Christianity that is the problem with CofE but their view that they are entitled to special privileges.

Gruntled I just wouldn't tell you, I was praying for you, if I suspected it might cause any serious distress. On a thread, such as this, I have been more candid because people generally know Christians pray for everyone and anyone, this is not news.