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to think that this 'transsexual' Jesus play should not get public funding?

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whatwilltheythinkofnext · 12/11/2015 16:07

I would say 'no words' but how about "disgusting, insulting, disrespectful, immoral..." need I go on? How does this awful thing get 'public funding' - I'd be demanding a refund of my council tax. Enough already!

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ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 12/11/2015 16:24

Meh, no-one goes to see crappy arty farty plays that have to be funded by this sort of thing anyway. Now you've told MN about it the audience will go up to about 4.

I do like a nice Andrew Lloyd Webber though.

iklboo · 12/11/2015 16:24

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OnIlkelyMoorBahtat · 12/11/2015 16:25

Thanks for the update. Nope, still can't see how Christianity is being "mocked" and "insulted" in this case. Was Fiona Shaw mocking and insulting the monarchy when she portrayed Richard II?

And as for you "challenging the bigots out there", given the charming adjectives you used in your initial post you need to have a think on this:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Matthew 7:3.

iklboo · 12/11/2015 16:25

Reported my own post for removal. Troll baiting & not on. I apologise for any offence.

PinkSquash · 12/11/2015 16:25

Interesting, it has been performed for several years, so why does it bother you now?

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/11/2015 16:26

Now you've told MN about it the audience will go up to about 4. Which makes me wonder if the OP is the play organiser. Grin

PatriciaHolm · 12/11/2015 16:27

You know the creator's a practising Christian, right?

I'm sure the Arts Council would be happy to give you the 2.5p you contributed to this back though if you ask nicely.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 12/11/2015 16:27

so I am challenging the bigots out there who think it's OK to treat Christianity as some kind of plaything to be mocked and insulted

Considering the creator (not Creator) behind it, is himself trans, and is a practising Christian, I doubt it has been written in order to mock and insult Christianity as that would mean the creator would be mocking himself as a transsexual and as a Christian.

CurlyCustard · 12/11/2015 16:27

Giles I LOVED Alanis morrisette as God

FluffyNinja · 12/11/2015 16:27

Ha ha. I think we know who the bigot is here, don't we OP? Have you tried looking in a mirror lately?
Daily Fail short on sensational stories today?

LineyReborn · 12/11/2015 16:27

I think that Christianity can cope with this, just as it coped with Godspell and Life of Brian and Robert Powell.

whatwilltheythinkofnext · 12/11/2015 16:28

Ah, well - as always, I am out shouted by those who think I'm being unreasonable, intolerant and have no freedom to express any views other than to just sit down have a cuppa and take any rubbish that's being dished out. Anyone who stands up and expresses any other opinion is just told to shut up.

That's just why people like me have no voice at all - so much for freedom of speech. You are free to shout your mouth off when your are an 'oppressed minority'. I think some quiet Christians are rapidly becoming one, so maybe soon we will get a voice too.

Well I did ask, I suppose.

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TheMarxistMinx · 12/11/2015 16:28

It's art. It's radical. It's challenging. However I'm an agnostic of Jewish origin and I also find it a bit depressing. It's just reactionary crap...ignore it.

PatriciaHolm · 12/11/2015 16:30

You're welcome to express your views, you have done so haven't you? No-one has stopped you?

Just as the rest of us are free to give our view. Just because you are hugely outnumbered on the thread doesn't mean you don't have any freedom to express your views. Stand up all you like, just don't claim to have no voice just because you are a lone one.

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/11/2015 16:31

There comes a point where even Christians should not be 'turning the other cheek' - even Jesus overturned tables when He got riled at the money changers insulting His temple. When I told my English teacher, years ago, that famous authors used one word sentences so I could, she said, "you're not a famous author". OP, you're not Jesus.

profbadbride · 12/11/2015 16:31

I'm an atheist, but don't think that mocking or insulting people's religion is a constructive thing to do. So I wouldn't be in favour of funding a work of art that did. But mocking and insulting do not seem to be the case here. According to press reports, the writer and key performer of the play says, "As a practising Christian myself, I have no interest in attacking the church or mocking the church or make fun of the church or in anyway being blasphemous or offensive.”

My question to the OP would be: why is the concept of Jesus in a female incarnation so offensive to you?

Gileswithachainsaw · 12/11/2015 16:31

But you haven't answered what is so offensive and what is so awful about gender or sexual orientation that makes a mockery of Christianity?

after all jesus would never have been born if it weren't fir a woman

pointythings · 12/11/2015 16:32

You've got lots of freedom of speech, OP. You're exercising it right here and right now. Grin You're just in a strop because people are disagreeing with you.

I like the idea of this play, unfortunately Belfast is a bit far to travel for me.

From a purely logical point of view, given that Mary was a virgin and that no male was involved in the conception of Jesus, he could logically only have been a girl, having been conceived through parthenogenesis.

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 12/11/2015 16:33

I'm a Christian.

My daughter is an altar girl.

I think you are mistaking bigots shouting you down and not giving you a voice for a handful of folk on t'web thinking you're a bit pots and kettles.

FickleByNurture · 12/11/2015 16:34

Plays are often meant to shock people. Sometimes they even offend people.

The previous director of the National Theatre said once that audiences "do not have the right" not to be offended by works of fiction

If it offends you, just don't go and see it. There are plenty of people for whom it would be an interesting and thought provoking piece of theatre.

OnIlkelyMoorBahtat · 12/11/2015 16:35

"Freedom of speech" is not the equivalent of "everyone must agree with me". A lot of people here actually want to know why you find it insulting but you just seem to want to tell us off for expressing views different to yours. Perhaps you could tell us why you think it's insulting? I for one genuinely can't see it.

TheMarxistMinx it does seem a bit 'old hat' as well to be frank...

aginghippy · 12/11/2015 16:35

People like me have no voice at all.
Hmm You posted in AIBU.

GloriaSmellens · 12/11/2015 16:38

Christ on a (pink sparkly) bike - what is with the obsession with transgenderism in the last few months?!

SoupDragon · 12/11/2015 16:38

That's just why people like me have no voice at all

You spoke.
Others disagreed.

Do you have a problem with that?

MythicalKings · 12/11/2015 16:43

I think it's daft.