To think we should bring back the Death Penalty for proven very serious offenders

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They have raped and murdered. Yet, they have no money worries, a roof over their head, 3 square meals a day, Sky TV, PS4, arranged activities....why are we so bloody soft? We have an over crowding problem in jails. Why can't we give these monsters a lethal injection and be done with it? Sometimes they are released back into society under a false identity (to protect them). What about our protection? They could move in next door. Who would be up for getting rid?

Bumbley- read Donna's link to see why drugs are in no way a fool proof method.

Many of the prisoners are IV drug users which makes it hard to find a vein.
It is against doctors ethical code to participate in killing someone so the people carrying this out are poorly trained prison guards who cannot find a vein, inject drugs into tissues instead or mess up the administration so it does 't work and takes ages for them to slowly suffocate to death in pain.
Drug companies are refusing to supply their drugs for use in executions in response to public protests so they are now using untested concoctions that clearly don't work

People who choose euthanasia in Switzerland are voluntarily choosing to swallow an oral drug. It is very hard to get someone to swallow something they don't want to and would likely result in an unseemly struggle although given how some of the drug users seem to have actually helped the prison officials to find veins perhaps they would choose to swallow something instead.
The drug supply and lack of medical supervision (to calculate drug doses) problems would still apply.

I suspect that a prisoner voluntarily swallowing a tablet and slipping peacefully away would lack the necessary theatre. To some extent they want them to suffer. The electric chair is a ridiculous, barbaric way of trying to kill someone it has to be about making them suffer. WTAF is the room of people watching this all about anyway. It's nothing to do with justice it is revenge bordering in sadism.

Mama, thanks for the reply. I am aware of those issues wrt execution. I was just referencing RT's comment about it being difficult to kill someone humanely. Obviously it is possible. The difficulties just arise in an execution setting.

I don't think they always use pills in euthanasia clinics.

Going back to the topic at hand, how does OP propose "proving without a doubt" that someone committed a crime? In the US many people have been "proven" to have murdered someone and been on death row or actually executed and some years later it's been discovered that they were innocent.

Discussing ways to kill people, Lovely

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ReallyTired. What about the drugs used to euthanise patients?"

It's not that easy to get hold of the drugs for killing someone.

I think the problem is availability of expertise. Digitas can employ doctors to oversee the procedure. There are plenty of doctors in favour of euthansia. Becoming an executioner goes against the hypocratic oath.

Oh Ok, so you just meant it was difficult to execute someone humanely. (Not that I would agree with it even if it was humane!)

Murder even if by the state can never be humane! I also think it's seriously sick the way USA stage it as if its some fucking theatre act with an audience!? What kind of person wants to witness another human die in agony?

I think that the pychological torture of being on death row or being tried for a crime that carries the punishment of death must be hell. I can understand that people might argue that a criminal did not care about the pychological impact of his crime. However it must be truely awful for an innocent man having to prove his innocence and knowing that he might be executed if he fails. In the US a disportionate number of black people are executed.

Dignitas article and interview with founder and staff
Obviously I am against the death sentence and whilst I think bumbley may have a point about the setting, it's about choice, and whilst many would say that those with a death sentence don't deserve a choice, those that may be innocent (and there are many) do.

Dawn, I think you've linked to your previous article by mistake. I'd be interested in the Dignitas one if you have it.

I will go slightly against the grain here and suggest an option.

There are a very very small number of cases like that of Van Der Bleeken where the perpetrator accepts that they are unlikely to ever be released into society because they know that they are a danger to society, and would therefore prefer to be euthanised and have done with it.

If somebody in this country serving a life term for terrible offences asked for the death penalty to be applied to them because they know that they are a monster, would you accept it? Or would it still be a case of "Death is too good for what they did?" A form of cheating their punishment, as it were?

If somebody in this country serving a life term for terrible offences asked for the death penalty to be applied to them because they know that they are a monster, would you accept it? Or would it still be a case of "Death is too good for what they did?" A form of cheating their punishment, as it were?

No, I wouldn't accept it, but not for the reasons you suggest. I think it is fundamentally wrong to help another person die, be that via assisted suicide or euthanasia. I can see why some people with degenerative conditions choose to go to dignitas and die on their own terms, but I don't agree with it. A person who has committed a bad enough crime to find themselves serving life without parole (by whatever name), also loses the freedom to select euthenasia as a way out.

Dignitas
Apologies, and thank you Bumbley.

Fickle, there are people who admit to crimes they haven't done. Not worth the risk, really.

Fair enough Andro

I personally don't think there's anything wrong in assisted suicide as long as everything is legal and above board. The problem comes when people take matters into their own hands for nefarious reasons. Whole different thread that though.

Dawn that's why the choice is theirs in my Utopian ideal. Even if they falsely admit to rape, murder etc they don't have to then agree to euthanasia.

but fickle, they may agree, what then?