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Feel dreadful after really upsetting my parents but don't think IABU?

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Fieryfighter · 08/11/2015 09:10

Warning... It's a Christmas post. I've spent every Christmas of my life at my parents, pre and post having children, when I was married I always went to them as ExH didn't celebrate Christmas. I usually go to theirs on Christmas eve and leave the morning after boxing day. My kids have often mentioned wanting to have a Christmas at home as they never get to be at their houhouse and I also would like to spend some time at my house, and I only live about 25 mins from them.

I was at my folks with ds2 yesterday and whilst talking about Christmas I mentioned that the boys had said they wanted to have a Christmas at home, and that the boys had mentioned this a few times over the years so I was thinking maybe we could have Christmas morning at home then go over to my folks later that morning. I want for a minute suggesting we don't go to them at all, just that we'd go over later Christmas morning.

Basically they got really really upset, sobbing and everything, dad saying that there was no point putting up a tree if we're not going to be there (I said every year I decorate my house and never get to spend Christmas there), that they might as well just go away for Christmas etc etc. My sister and her son will be there Xmas eve and Christmas day so they won't be along I couldn't placate then at all and ds2 (9) got upset and was crying. They said they were really stressed about their nightmare neighbours and the house not selling (neighbours are really vile) and they hate being in their house and just don't want to be at home and the only thing they look forward to is us coming over (we visit every week).

Anyway, horrible atmosphere cotinued, I popped upstairs for 5 mins thinking if I left the room they'd make an effort with ds2 but they just sat on sofa mum quietly sobbing taking between themselves, ds2 said in car on way home it was really awkward (wish I hadn't gone upstairs now but I really thought they'd buck up and play with him or something)

Anyway, when I came down they said it would need better if we left as it was no good for ds2 so we did. I did tell them very gently I really didn't mean to upset them but I thought they were overreacting then dad got angry again so we left.

They are very good at making me feel guilty and I usually do what they want tbh. My sister is a complete PITA and behaves dreadfully towards them with no repercussions so I'm there 'good' one who's always there for them.

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Ohfourfoxache · 16/11/2015 12:17

Well done Fiery - it sounds like you're gaining so much strength from your realisations. Look at just how far you've come. Something tells me that this has been an utter turning point.

TheCrimsonPleb · 16/11/2015 12:38

You've had some brilliant, brilliant advice and support on this thread, I have nothing to add except that I know how uncomfortable it is to go up against parents like this, the ones who generate the FOG that you get completely lost in and don't know which way is up.

I know the feeling of dreading the phone call or email coming your way. You do have to to stand your ground though and remind yourself that you aren't in the wrong, they are. Good luck OP.

Fieryfighter · 16/11/2015 12:57

Thanks all. I feel like I'm being pummelled in every direction at the moment.

Bizarrely on Friday an exbf of 7 years ago who I'd blocked every which way possible because of his jealous behaviour decided to message me out of the blue on a new number (just blocked and ignored) then I had to turn down a birthday party invite yesterday (my ExH went NC with his family some time ago and won't let the boys see them, so I asked him if he'd be happy for them to go and he said no) so I feel stuck in the middle of that too and feel really bad.

Talk about damned if you do damned if you don't!!

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OTheHugeManatee · 16/11/2015 13:06

Well done, Fiery. They sound bonkers conkers. Stay strong and don't let them reel you back in.

OTheHugeManatee · 16/11/2015 13:07

Sorry, that was wrt your parents, not your ex-ILs.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/11/2015 15:17

Sounds like you've found your 'quiet courage'. That's always a good thing. I have a feeling your parents will come around. Fingers crossed.

As far as the Ex and his family goes, what is your opinion of these relatives? Do you like them? Do you think they'd add to your DC's life in a positive way? If so, why should your ex be able to tell you what to do? Surely if he took against your family you'd tell him to go to hell and see them anyway, why should his be any different? BFF's ex got a bug up his arse many years ago against his mother and stepfather and went NC. They were nice people who just happened to think their son was an arse (which was true). BFF continued to take their son to see these grandparents even though ex 'revoked his permission' Hmm for her to take him there. She basically said 'You're not the boss of me, I'll take my child wherever I want'.

So just stop and think. Is there a good reason for your DC not to see these people or are you simply bowing to the same pressure from your ex that caused you to not want to upset your parents over Xmas?

Fieryfighter · 16/11/2015 16:53

Acrossthepond

I don't know the full details of the falling out as it happened after we split up. ExH's parents (obv my kids other set of gp's) live abroad and when we were together when they'd come over to visit they'd profess to be super excited about seeing the kids but the reality was always they'd spend one morning/afternoon with them and that would be it, maybe 3/4 times a year.

Basically the upshot is my kids would gain very little from my going against dh's wishes and he would then make life as difficult for me as possible in return such as changing arrangements with the kids, refusing to be adaptable, ignoring any messages I send yada yada. It's just not worth the fallout for a brief handful of occasions a year although I have thought about it.

I do always tell them I'll ask and that's as much as I'm willing to do. I don't think that much of them, they are in a very strict religious organisation and ExH had a pretty warped upbringing.

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AcrossthePond55 · 16/11/2015 17:50

Well, there you go then. Not worth the hassle by any means and it sounds as if ex may have had a reason for going NC if their religion got in the way of their relationship in some way. At some point your children will be old enough to make up their own minds about seeing them if they want to, I suppose, but that will be your ex's problem.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 16/11/2015 23:47

Lordy this sounds familiar! Join the rubbish weirdy parents club, membership is bestowed not chosen but the other members tend to be jolly friendly and keen on talking about the weather (fog), and drinking gin, or sherry, or elderflower at a pinch!

I went through the dawning realization that my parents were utterly bonkers with my nice but damaged father keeping the collective lunacy that was my mother.

That realization that people just don't behave that way, and that other people's parents seem to do what they say and say what they do and never wrap their child up in knots. Other people's parents were less fragile, and somehow didn't collapse in dramatic hysterics when their children put a foot wrong. I wondered what it would be like to be in that family, where the house of cards doesn't come crashing down with every tiny offense or hiccup.

It took me ages to really believe it when therapists and friends pointed out the role I was forced to play - adult, parent and protector. I couldn't see it as I was so taken in by the insults and disappointment that happened all through my childhood, teenage years, and 20s... That I was soooo childish and selfish and cruel to my poor fragile, long suffering parents. Took a therapist to point out that I wasn't in the slightest bit immature and selfish, but I would never measure up to my parents ideal, as they wanted me a parent to them from age 6, so, wrong yardstick as it were. Made so much sense.

I remember the hysterics and oh yes, the ill defined health scare to 'win' which I'm afraid my mother pulled at the wrong time and slightly more of the drama and victim status she had planned on.

Note bene for all selfish hystrionic manipulative parents... You might not get the sympathy you crave (& deserve, I'm sure Hmm), if you choose a moment to twist the knife in, when your victim/ child is stretched a little too thin. The toothless child etc. I bit in a way I had no idea I could when she tried spouting her lying bile to get into the centre of attention and bring me to heel.

Like another poster has said, they don't get that they create these situations themselves, by behaving so badly it finally clicks a re-evaluation of past events and a determination to break the pattern.

It's strange they go too far, it's like they can't understand when backing off would keep them in power, yet they just can't see when they are pushing too far at the wrong moment and break the spell.

So, oh woe, turns out it's all about HER terribly high blood pressure which means she can't possibly be 'bothered' by errr, anyone else at all except her precious ickle self.

Ugh, the mincing pride in her voice when she said that the doctor said (GP, not consultant) that everyone needed to be terribly gentle and protect her as she could go at 'any time' if anyone upset her.

Absolute bollocks. Laughable 'competitive' illness with conveniently no symptoms but the threat of imminent death if anyone dares expect her to behave like an actual adult.

It's actually brilliant as where I suspect medical advice, if there was any, would be about controlling her own emotions and managing her own reactions (plus medications etc)... But for someone who's incapable of taking responsibility for anything, it's translated as another weapon to give her chosen victims the responsibility not only for her emotions, but her very life.

At what point would she look inwards for answers and responsibility? Probably never, now. Which makes the lifetime of jumping through hoops for her rather sad, but the never ending sacrifice will never ever be enough :(

For the first time ever she was shocked into silence when I pissed myself laughing and said 'wow, congratulations mother, you must be delighted' when she pulled that one on me.

I think she may have tried to follow it up with another dire warning as I was being such a callous meanie... and I just talked over her saying 'oh yes, I'm sure that's the case, what a perfect problem for you to have, now you don't even have to pretend you're not controlling everyone. Jolly good. Well done. I'm not interested thanks'

And when she continued to push it, I said 'yes mother, very good, but you already blame me for everything, so there's nothing I can do differently is there? I'll just carry on the same thank you'

Left her utterly speechless. Just that once.

I know you can't really win against this stuff, but it did for a second make me feel free. :)

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 17/11/2015 13:05

Miscellaneous - I know it's not the same because it was only a snapshot we saw of this woman, rather than a lifetime, but our ex-NDN used to pull that kind of crap too, except it wasn't her BP that was the problem, she's apparently had her thyroid removed and so if she had any stress it could cause a heart attack and kill her. Hmm

Would have been happy to oblige, tbh. She was a fucking vicious harpy. Did a victory dance when she finally sold the house as she'd failed to get planning permission for the godawful mess she'd planned on!

Fieryfighter · 17/11/2015 17:35

Blimey MiscellaneousAssortment well done you for finally standing up to her.

Well not heard from my mum, as I ended my email with 'until you're calm and reasonable and until you apologise I won't engage any more' I'm assuming the lack of contact means they're certainly not prepared to do that and are still furious with me.

I've just now had a message from my sister asking what is she supposed to have done to me last Christmas. I imagine the folks have been on at my sister now. Last year my sister came, brought nothing, sat on her arse eating/drinking and didn't lift a finger to help. I think my folks have told her that I was pissed off her because of that but truth is THEY haven't stopped going on about it all year but God forbid they'd say a peep to her. My take was much more 'typical sis' anyway, it's not about her at all ffs!

I just replied saying this isn't about her, that I've made it clear to her and my folks why we want to be at home for a bit.

Guess that was a flying monkey I want expecting.

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Ohfourfoxache · 17/11/2015 18:11

It might not be possible, but I wonder if you could speak to your sister (like you did with your aunt and uncle) and just get everything out in the open. May prevent any future flying monkey moments?

Fieryfighter · 17/11/2015 18:15

I already did, hence being a bit surprised by this but I think they've been spinning their sob stories trying to make me look as bad as possible

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 17/11/2015 18:16

yes, there might be a good chance they're telling your sister it's all her fault (might it be possible that's why she thought it was about her?)

Fieryfighter · 17/11/2015 18:31

I'm pretty damn certain they've gone to her for sympathy, they usually won't say boo to my sister and they'd be petrified of losing another GC coming at xmas

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/11/2015 19:01

I think with your sister it's more 'divide and conquer', iyswim. They don't want the two of you to get together and compare notes.

mintoil · 17/11/2015 19:28

Ooh, excellent! A bit of triangulation. We didn't see this coming did we?

This is designed to set you and DSIS against each other, so that eventually one of you sides with DPs against the other.

I agree with PP that you should call your sister for a "what are they like?" style conversation. Don't make it too heavy, and just make it clear you aren't angry with her, and are keen not to have your relationship with her ruined as a result.

My DM is a chronic narc and she would always try to cause trouble between us siblings if anyone had the audacity to stand up to her.

RandomMess · 17/11/2015 19:48

We by blaming your sister they can yet again ignore that they are facing the consequences of their actions can't they!

I am amazed at how much of your families time you have given them and they still don't think it's enough - they certainly want to live their lives through your boys don't they?

KOKO Flowers

MrsKoala · 17/11/2015 19:58

Wow - they are experts at this. They have managed to go to your sister and tell her what you have been saying about her (ie they have been saying it and you have been present) thus blaming her in their minds for you not going this year and letting themselves off the hook AND driving a wedge between you and her. Touche!

Stay strong.

Indole · 17/11/2015 20:46

Bloody hell. They really are utterly bonkers. Can I just say that I really admire you? You are being very clam and gracious about all the nuttery.

Indole · 17/11/2015 20:46

Calm! Not clam!

Fieryfighter · 17/11/2015 21:18

It's got to be said their utter bonkers-ness is making this easier, despite it still being bloody hard it's easier to stay firm when they're being batshit crazy. Had a good talk with my friends today who were aghast at what's going on.

I've already had the 'what are they like' conversation with my sis via text when I warned her what was happening so they've either had a go at getting her on side OR they've talked to my nephew when they went to visit which is even worse tbh.

Not heard back from my sister but then she's rubbish at replying.

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LittleFeileFooFoo · 17/11/2015 21:32

Yes make sure you keep dsis in the loop, as splitting is classic narc behavior to keep you on line.

Fizrim · 17/11/2015 22:04

I hope they haven't told your nephew that his mum's behaviour last year has caused an issue ...

MiscellaneousAssortment · 17/11/2015 23:19

Ooh they don't give up do they!

No brakes, no idea about when they've gone too far, just carrying on the manipulative dramatics and ramping it up and up and up until it gets the desired effect.

No wonder these things tend to blow up and get into big final actions, and all completely avoidable. Unpleasantly bonkers.

By the way, I'm seeing a councillor who has observed that she personally gets raging angry when I tell her stuff my mother has done through the years... She asks if it's coming from her or if she's feeling what I'm feeling & picking up on it. I tend to feel upset rather than angry but it's very interesting to realise that anger is perhaps a more healthy reaction!