to think schools shouldn't expel children

[Dontexpell]

They will just fall further behind with education which means they will be less likely to get a job or go
To college.

AIBU to think it's a silly punishment.

If you knew the fines school face for permanent exclusion then you'd realise it really is the very last resort.

But it does still happen.

Do you know what a child actually has to do to get expelled?

AIBU to think it's a silly punishment

What would you suggest instead?

Sometimes it's the only way to trigger the support that individual children need.

Also some children just cannot cope in mainstream schools and need the more specialist support that 's available in PRUs

Pulling up a seat to watch this one with interest ..........

If a childs behaviour is so unbeleiveably bad that expulsion is seen as the only available solution then no more time and effort should be spent on them within that particular school. Resources and staff are sparce and insisting on keeping such behaviour within that school is nonsensical.

Do you think it is fair that one child should disrupt the education of the other 29 children in the class with impunity?

So how many other children should have to sacrifice their education and opportunities? Or do you have a solution rather than just a silly suggestion?

Oh and do you have an appropriate user name for all occasions??

I think being suspended is even sillier. I detested school and would purposely play up in order to get suspended. It was more like a reward than punishment.

OP why do you eel so strongly about this? Have you been personally affected by expulsion?

Feel not eel!

You can't argue with stupid.

So bringing a knife or drugs to school?
Beating up other kids or staff?
Threatening to rape?

We should just keep them in school and to hell with it?!

Have you ever worked in a school op? I have a very strong feeling that you haven't...

Schools are very reluctant to permanently exclude these days. But if a child is routinely violent to other pupils and staff, then often there is no alternative. Or if a pupil brings drugs or weapons onto the premises. And yes, I do have professional experience of both.

The real problem is the lack of resources to support such children when expulsion happens. Many PRUs are fabulous and atew staffed by amazing teachers and support workers. But the stretch on resources is unsustainable.

Plus, the whole area of early intervention for disaffected and vulnerable children is woefully underfunded.

YABU

Popcorn anyone?

Are not atew!

What do you suggest schools do with extremely disruptive or violent children?

What if you child had been repeatedly hit, bullied or beated up by another child and the school could no longer keep your child safe. What should happen in that case?

There was a boy in my daughter's class who for years disrupted the class during teaching time, and in between classes, carved up the year into those who followed him, and those who were bullied. Actually, I suspect he bullied some of the teachers as well. At one point, he and three other boys had my daughter down on the floor, threatening her. I suspect there are many children in the class, whose chances of getting into college have been profoundly damaged, all because the rules here in Norway about exclusion meant it wasn't possible until the child reaches a certain age, by which time enormous damage had been done all round.

I think there are some children who are unsuited to mainstream education and that for the sake of the other children, need to be removed. That said, there should be alternative provision made for them, but it's unlikely with the current political climate.

I saw a programme about the work of The Bridge (a PRU, or whatever they're called these days).

There is no way that those very troubled pupils could have received the support they did in their previous schools.

And that's not a criticism of those schools BTW. More intended an acknowledgement that sometimes specialists are needed.

What Suffolk said. It is never, ever done lightly, there are regulations on what constitutes permanent exclusion grounds. (School staff governor) Schools try everything they can before considering it. I've been governor 6 years and only know of two at our school (drug dealing and violence).