to think schools shouldn't expel children

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They will just fall further behind with education which means they will be less likely to get a job or go
To college.

AIBU to think it's a silly punishment.

In an ideal world, students wouldn't be permanently excluded, no. In an ideal world, those students also wouldn't physically assault teachers or students, verbally abuse teachers or students, commit arson, bring drugs into school and in some cases deal them, racially abuse teachers of students, bring weapons into school, steal, sexually assault other students or severely bully others... The list goes on, and it's really not as clear cut as 'it's a silly punishment'. In a lot of cases it is to protect the other students who have a right to an education without those behaviours.

I assume that the OP has been reading this or similar
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-33329242

Expulsion from school was the least of the issues in her family's case
and TBH even a PRU may not have been able to do much.

OP I hope you are not talking about the Blackpool murder

What Blackpool murder? Why?

And no ... I wasn't, but that is another case where she looks like she needed to be kept somewhere safe not sent away from it.

Kept somewhere safe.
Yes but often when students are excluded it is because they are making school unsafe for others.

That Blackpool story :(

In that particular case it's disturbing that a child wasn't being supervised during the day for such a long period of time.

I bet that wolfie but sent to fend for themselves?

What do you suggest schools do with extremely disruptive or violent children?

Given the current trend for inclusion and apparently mainstream being the preference for all but the most extream cases because apparently it's highly unusual that a mainstream school cannot meet the needs of a child with behaviour problems and one size does fit all.

I would suggest they up their game hugely.
Do what BESD schools with incredibly low rates of exclusion and positive handling incidents do(they do exist).

Put in the time care and attention and resources required because after all they claimed they could meet the young persons needs.

Or failing that be upfront admit it at the earliest chance and give the parents even a vague hope of getting a like gold dust specialist placement.

Or the other potential solution start reopening all the specialist settings they closed a few years ago when they decided main stream could do it all.

If you knew the fines school face for permanent exclusion then you'd realise it really is the very last resort.

They only pay fines if they exclude unlawfully and refuse to take the children back. The fines are totally avoidable.

I believe that exclusion isn't used in other countries: once a child has been placed in a school they just have to get on with it. Does anyone know how that works?

Alfieisnoisy he was a fab kid, made amazing progress over the year and actually did well in mainstream in the end. It was a serious blip though and i did think 'I didn't sign up for this'. Absolutely adored having him in my class and worked hard to make sure we were providing for him in the right way to prevent it happening again. However I did need him to be suspended for a few days - I cojldnt have come in the next day and carried on as usual.

I'm torn with perm exclusion. I'm a big believer in keeping kids in education as much as possible as otherwise what options are we giving them? Might as well hand them over to the police or an otherwise grim end now. However as has been said, perm exclusion doesn't mean the end of education and often opens up great and invaluable avenues of support for kids.

Money is tight and funding is so difficult to get. LEAs argue at every turn and put up barriers. Meanwhile I have seen children regularly hurting other children and staff. If you have a child being violent towards other kids over and over again, what do you do? How do I explain to so and so's mum why they've got hurt AGAIN?

gruntled
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_(education)
Nope.
And other countries let kids slide off the roll.

Yes the need of one child is not greater than every other.

Needs

Needsasockamnesty Fabulous ideas - but we need funding for that. Behaviour units etc have very small ratios of children to adults, small classes, more resources and time. The work they do is amazing - as a class teacher I cannot do that with 29 other children to teach too. And I cannot realt justify it to the parents of other children either.

PRUs are incredibly expensive to send a child to for a reason. They're costly due to staffing and support needed. If you want mainstream schools to offer the same, the money is going to have to come from sormwhere.

A child should not be left to fend for themselves for long periods of time. The Blackpool case reads as though it was two years after her exclusion that she was murdered. For a child to be left without any structure for two years is disturbing.

Exclusion isn't how I read the issue, lack of net to catch the excluded child is. Desperately overworked social workers and support teams, lack of places in support units, lack of joined up databases so children disapear off systems being no ones responsibility to follow up.

If you are moved by this OP what will you do, An epetition for change, contact your MP?

There's nothing you can do is there? It's just sad.

I am interested to know why someone said 'I hope you don't mean the Blackpool case' is there a reason this shouldn't be talked about?

If you are moved by this OP what will you do, An epetition for change, contact your MP?

Or even better, wherever you live in the country, go and help out at your local youth club / detached youth project / homeless shelter / food bank

petitions are just clicking
getting out there and doing something makes a real difference

Very valid point Talkinpease but anything is better than nothing.

Theres actually plenty you can practically do. But that means actually doing something and nit just criticising schools on a forum.

Well I disagree calleigh but hey at least you got to criticise me!

Misfor
anything is better than nothing.
I'm afraid I count e-petitions as nothing
they are like marches and rallies - politicians love them because people let off steam, think they have done something and the status quo returns.

Youth clubs and soup kitchens and homeless centres are desperate for people who can help out for a couple of hours a week.

Tricky for those with small kids, easier for empty nesters

Not left to fend for themselves no.
But in the unlikely event my child is excluded I will do everything to ensure they remain safe.
You can't blame a school.