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Is it me or DH who is unreasonable over best friend.....

142 replies

woolythoughts · 03/11/2015 16:11

This is long – and I’m not sure what info to include (so as not to be accused of drip feeding) or not (so as not to be accused of stealth boasting) so I’ve just put the basic facts. I know I’m going to get flamed for this.

I have a really close friend who I’ve known 15 years who predates my DH by at least 10 years. Over the years typically she has earned a lot less than me ( by about a factor of 8) and when her ex left her she ended up in an IVA – so financially she’s not rolling in it and never will be. She does make some stupid choices what to spend her spare money on (that he doesn’t agree with) e.g. she drinks far too much but to give her credit, it cheap plonk she’s happy with.

She never ever ever asks for anything but most of us have got used to doing nice things for her. Example, she’s going to a concert this weekend with another friend of ours and the other friend has paid for her ticket as there is no way she could afford it herself. When she comes to stay with me, I buy her train ticket (I live several hundred miles away) as otherwise she couldn’t afford it. However, if I’m working in London or near the south east, I can crash at her place (I have the keys) as often as I want and I’ve often stayed at her place when she’s been away on holiday etc. It pisses my DH off that I buy take away if she’s there when I stay and that she never offers to cook for me.

So, the current bone of contention. I’ve always given her my cast of IT equipment. I’m a bit of a gadget freak and often upgrade just because I can.

Earlier this year, I realized I didn’t use my ipod touch as all my music was on my phone – so I gave it to her and she uses it every day.

I have a laptop that had been sitting unused for nearly two years (was top of the range mac book pro about four years ago so still more than useful) so when her’s died I said she could have a loan of mine on the understanding that should I ever need it back for work (I’m freelance IT consultant) I could. I seriously doubt I ever would need it and if it were just up to me I’d give it to her but it was a “loan” to appease DH. He’s now belly aching that I could sell it for £350 on ebay or to a neighbor of my mother’s whose just broken his. I’d rather she use it than sell it for £350. We don’t need the money.

So, I’m now selling my ipad air as I’m upgrading mine to the ipad pro next week. With it is a keyboard I paid £100 for but to be honest, I doubt I’d get much second hand. She recently got given an ipad air for her birthday by her mother so when I sell mine to one of those buy your mobile companies, I’m going to give her the keyboard that I used. DH is adamant I should either charge her for it or let it sit on the shelf rather than she have it. I gave her my original iPad 1 – the very original that came out in 2010 back in 2012 and she used it until it gave up the ghost this year. What I’m trying to say with that is, she doesn’t just take things for granted and is genuinely appreciateive.

I think DH is just being spiteful he thinks she’s a freeloading twunt. I love my DH but he is the kind who would try to sell sand to Arab’s and charge them double the market price if he could get away with it.

Who is being unreasonable?

OP posts:
randomcatname · 03/11/2015 17:33

It sounds like you and DH just have different priorities. Do you have to make him aware of every thing you let your friend have? It is your stuff, after all, so yours to do with as you please.

It's so nice to read a thread about an unconditional friendship btw. You're happy, she's happy, all sounds fine and equal to me. Too many people get their knickers in a twist about cash these days. Understandable if you don't have it, but no need to be grabby if you do.

YANBU.

rollonthesummer · 03/11/2015 17:33

OP, please make sure you are covered in case you and your husband get divorced. I'm worried that the house is 'his' even though you are both paying towards it.

This!!!

He sounds like he has a bizarre relationship with money and if you split up, I think you'd find yourself totally screwed judging by what you'd said about how he'd rather sell something for £250 to his sister than £200 to a company!

What rights do you have over that house?

rollonthesummer · 03/11/2015 17:35

However, if you take advantage of him even once, he'll cut you dead

Again-very worrying that the house isn't in your name!! Divorce can be very messy.

Waltermittythesequel · 03/11/2015 17:36

And I absolutely agree re: the house.

You need to sort that.

ImperialBlether · 03/11/2015 17:37

I'm sure your credit score has improved now, OP. Time to sort out the finances.

motherinferior · 03/11/2015 17:38

You clearly have a very good friendship. Those nine hours were worth everything you can give, I'm sure.

I find it hard to believe that if I get married, my partner is therefore entitled to half of anything I buy out of my own bank account.

ImperialBlether · 03/11/2015 17:39

Here's the Lakeland throw. One should be given to everyone who's on a very low income - would save a fortune in electricity.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/11/2015 17:42

"If it was his tech, and say his sister needed it.. Lets say mazuma mobile offered him £200 - he's sell it to his sister for £250"
Wow. Miserly.

"DH is adamant I should either charge her for it or let it sit on the shelf rather than she have it."
Beyond miserly - spiteful.

In general I would have said neither of you are being unreasonable, you just have different attitudes to finances. Money is a very personal thing, it carries all sorts of baggage to do with power, control, security and probably a whole lot more. I'd say you feel financially secure and he really doesn't (or he doesn't feel in control, or whatever else value he attaches to money).

But I do think he tips over the edge into miserlyness, and that's a personality trait I have found never restricts itself to money; miserly with money, miserly with affection/emotional support etc.

You value your friend for the support she has given you in the past, for her opening her home to you whenever you want it, and presumably a myriad of small kindnesses. Unfortunately your DH seems to be the type who 'knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'. He does not value your friend. (Or his sister.)

YANBU, and he IBU.

3littlefrogs · 03/11/2015 17:50

If you had to pay for accommodation whenever you go to London, how much would it cost you?

Would the free use of her flat whenever you want go some way to offset the value of the items you have given her? Would your DH consider that as a point of view?

SoleBizzzz · 03/11/2015 17:53

I feel your DH might be jealous and is trying to have some control. LTB

SoleBizzzz · 03/11/2015 17:54

Wow Imperial that blanket is just brilliant!

1p for seven hours Shock

GruntledOne · 03/11/2015 18:01

Point out to him that you are saving around £150 a night in hotel bills every time you stay over at her flat. I suspect that easily balances out the value of the IT stuff.

ImperialBlether · 03/11/2015 18:02

I think I put it on the wrong thread, SoleBizz! This OP doesn't need it!

CassieBearRawr · 03/11/2015 18:03

I'll be sure to let mr cassie know he owns half my knickers and dresses because they were bought while we were together. He'll be so pleased.

PennyHasNoSurname · 03/11/2015 18:08

Are you planning on having kids with him OP? How would he react when your income drastically drops while on Mat Leave? (Assuming you would be on SMP etc).

Would he support you 100 percent financially if you ever got made redundant?

I dont know if this man will ever have your back, financially.

Viviennemary · 03/11/2015 18:10

If you're earning a good amount of money then it is nice if you are generous to your friend. It's not as if your own family is going short. So tell himto mind his own business. Especially since you earn a lot more than he does. If he was subsidising this generosity then I think he'd have a right to complain. But he isn't.

CobblerBob · 03/11/2015 18:17

Errr... Sort out getting your name on the house, yeah? He's jealous of your friend and jealous you are being so generous with what he sees as his money (I.e your possessions).

You sound a lovely friend. Don't let a jealous miser ruin that friendship

emotionsecho · 03/11/2015 18:25

You give because you want to and not because you expect something in return, that's how it should be. Your friend can't give you material things but she gives you something far more valuable, support and the kind of friendship that means you can call her when you are at your lowest ebb and she will be there, that's something money and gifts can't buy.

Carry on as you are, there are things in life worth far more than money and your friendship is one of them it's a great pity your dh doesn't understand that.

Gladysandtheflathamsandwich · 03/11/2015 18:27

I think I put it on the wrong thread, SoleBizz! This OP doesn't need it!

No but her friend might appreciate it as a gift in return for free B&B Wink

I dont know if this man will ever have your back, financially.

I was thinking that. Lets assume the OP takes her full ML entitlement, I suspect he will insist that she pays her half of the bills, but will probably refuse to allow her to use their shared savings to do this.

Personally I would be taking whatever proportion of the savings I had contributed out of joints savings and into personal savings. Then if a divorce ever did happen, he couldnt rinse her for the lot and she could pay back whatever proportion a settlement deems appropriate.

Honestly OP, this not about old tech. If there are not now, then there will be issues in the future when you suddenly are not bringing such huge sums of money. You may find that you are suddenly worth much less to him both financially and emotionally.

At the very least, you need to discuss what the plan would be if you did have a child or got made redundant or became too ill to work.

RandomMess · 03/11/2015 18:27

Will instead of giving your friend these things, wrap them up as a birthday/Christmas/easter present Wink

I really think your dh has a very unpleasant personality trait tbh Sad

pictish · 03/11/2015 18:28

If it was his tech, and say his sister needed it.. Lets say mazuma mobile offered him £200 - he's sell it to his sister for £250

He just hates any sign of people taking advantage.

No he doesn't - he thinks it's great, so long as he's doing the advantage taking.

I don't like the sound of him tbh. He's petty - would rather see an item gathering dust on your shelf than be put to good use his wife's friend because he doesn't like her.

All the ins and outs are neither here nor there - they are your possessions, to do with as you will.

He wants to lend money to his friend, you donate stuff you don't want any more to yours.
It's not his call.

GruntledOne · 03/11/2015 18:30

Is there actually any need to discuss these gifts with your DH? I'm not advocating keeping secrets, but it seems to me that it just isn't any of his business what you do with your possessions. I don't imagine that he has a whole discussion with you if he throws out an old pair of shoes, for instance. If you just give your friend the keyboard without saying anything, would he even notice?

Gladysandtheflathamsandwich · 03/11/2015 18:32

Pictish makes a good point.

How is him overcharging his own family for an item that he could easily afford to give away, or at least charge market price for, not him taking advantage?

His sister, in the hypothetical situation, needs a replacement phone. He has an old one stuck in a drawer that is never used. He doesnt just give it to her, as it has no value stuck in a drawer, but checks what he could get for it and stick £50 on top on the basis that it is still cheaper than what it would cost her new! The mans a maggot.

Waltermittythesequel · 03/11/2015 18:33

Has he ever suggested you pay your friend for staying in her flat? I mean, if he's insisting you start charging her for these things.

magoria · 03/11/2015 18:37

How many times a year would you estimate you stay at hers?

Even only a few would soon add up to £££ in hotel rooms and restaurants a year.

She gives you what she can freely and happily. Just because there is nothing visible doesn't mean it is worthless.