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Take a look at this article about supporting families of Transgender people by the Gires.org.uk Website to see why that view is so utterly incorrect and harmful?
www.gires.org.uk/assets/supporting-families.pdf

The difficulty is that women are always told to 'be nice' but it doesn't actually help anything.

I still don't understand why women have to make all the sacrifices once again.

Thank you noeffingidea.

Sometimes I do feel that some of transgender politics is trying to stuff people back into the binary male/female roles that so many people have fought so hard for us to get beyond (e.g. feminism, the gay rights movement), which I fundamentally don't get. Sort of "Don't tell me which gender I have to be, but I'll tell you which genders everyone has to pick from. And everyone has to pick one." It's so deterministic, whilst denying the power of another determinism. Just deny determinism.

Better I don't fear the term cis , I just reject it for me. It totally doesn't (as I've seen it defined here and elsewhere) describe my life experience.

I don't seek to tell anyone how they should look or feel but I always get worried by ideologues rejecting science.

The recent case indicates that for humane and practical reasons there should be a separate prison units built for transgender people.

Fertility privilege and mental health privilege etc are not at all common labels but if they were or are used, they would be used in relation to attached the state of being fertile or having no clinically defined mental illness... They are not terms for PEOPLE who are fertile, or people living without mental distress imposed in such a narrow way.

'Cis privilege' is not used in this semantic sense. Women are told they are 'cis' and 'have cis privilege' by transactivists with no experience of being 'cis' who presume to be able to define the entirety of female sex experience in opposition to trans experience, so having a period and a womb is a 'privilege' regardless of what an individual's status in society is.

Privilege is about status, not experience.

Do we have words for these?

• women who have two legs and know that they have two legs

• women who have 10 fingers and 10 toes and know that they have 10 fingers and 10 toes

-women who have two eyes and know that they have two eyes.

So why do you think we need a word for this?

• women who are female and know that they are female.

Has anyone asked mn to remove posts using cis as a personal attack on those who do not identify as cis?

If I recall correctly this was done and the nub was 'Don't misgender, unless you're misgendering a woman'.

Here.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2393475-Would-MNHQ-consider-extending-the-definition-of-misgendering?msgid=54808575

I've often wondered, and perhaps those who are disgusted with the tone here can explain, if we accept what trans people say, who is going to do the women's work? Who will take on running rape crisis centres, support groups, shelters?

Personally, I have an inkling that it'll always be down to the cis privileged woman to undertake it all, with the added responsibility for looking after trans people's feelings.

I blame previous posters for piquing my interest sufficiently to browse google for cis privileges and found some of them realistic but not really the fault/at the behest of the cis community but this one stood out :
Being able to purchase shoes that fit your gender expression without having to order them in special sizes or asking someone to custom-make them.
call me oldfashioned and accuse me of being frivolous but to me people are people - enough of the labelling.
Lots of ladies shoes go up to size 11 and mens shoes start at size 6

The women in my family for years have struggled to find shoes for their huge flippers. It's only recently sizes 8,9 and 10 became available in women's sizes

My sister had to wear men's shoes to school

Or people can - I don't know - not wear gendered shoes?

If you can only be a woman if you're wearing high heels, you're not a woman. I manage to be a biological woman in converse, and in steel toe-cap trainers, and in heels, and in flats, and in every kind of shoe. If you think that the type of shoes you wear has more bearing on your sex than WHETHER YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING PENIS, you're beyond helping really.

Hahahaha thin privilege is my personal fave.

21. The media doesn’t describe your body shape as part of an “epidemic”.

everydayfeminism.com/2012/11/20-examples-of-thin-privilege/

I have to say I really resent they way the discussion around privilege has been hijacked. It was you used as tool to discuss how people are oppressed by class and race now it's just used to describe any old gripe.

Everyday Feminism is a joke, though.

Empress I love the blog you linked to upthread.

I think it's generally best to assume that they are women

I think it's best to assume that they're not. Because they aren't.

for Jorah

I really feel defeated by all of this identity politics, I downloaded a dating app called HER which was marketed as a lesbian dating app but its actually open to (direct quote). 'Female-identified and non-binary gendered persons
People over 18 years +'

Needless to say it shit.

TheXxed I am told lesbian bars these days are full of TW refusing to fuck each other (because seeing another male bodied TW will be too traumatic for them apparently. It's just bio women who should open their legs for their lady dicks)

Hermione its a shambles out there. My new thing is ladies five aside, I don't play just watch from the sidelines that has been successful so far.

I find all this talk of biological sex fascinating, but it doesn't always help in real life situations.

I've been asked to leave women-only space because of my failure to pass as a woman (I don't dress as a man, but I'm not exactly feminine-looking), and I don't know whether I could easily prove what sex I was assigned at birth. I frequently get called 'Sir' or am referred to as 'that chap' or similar.

Apparently some people can't always tell by looking whether someone is a man or a woman, or they just don't look closely. I wear women's clothes, but my body shape and size apparently suggest 'man' to many people. Even though my hair is shoulder length and I always carry a handbag. Maybe some people think I'm a trans woman. I've no idea.

Do people usually ask whether someone is a man or a woman? What kind of evidence would be acceptable, short of requiring someone to take off their underwear or provide a blood sample? Should I take my birth certificate with me if I want to access women-only spaces? Genuine question - it never occurred to me to worry before because I always assumed that if I say I'm a woman people will accept that. But from recent threads here, I'm no longer sure that's the case!

I would think any standard ID would be acceptable, Adjustable. A transgender person would have to have that certificate (GDR?) to have those changed anyway, so it's legal proof either way.