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To think 'in your face Osborne?'

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 26/10/2015 20:50

I'm not. I know I'm not. I'm personally going to have a glass of wine and celebrate there being a significant amount of egg on the Tories' faces.

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Methemummy · 27/10/2015 10:20

Of course I cannot predict the future but I had to think long and hard about having children and how many children we could have.

Benefits should be a safety net but unfortunately in many cases they are not. In my opinion they should be there for most vulnerable on a short term basis. I don't feel tax credits really fit this approach. As I say many are too dependent on benefits.

The other thing that annoys me a little and this is in no way personal after all I don't know you personal circumstances but why should tax payers support children when their own parents don't both support them?

Backforthis · 27/10/2015 10:22

Humanity, compassion, the recognition that it isn't the child's fault and they still need to eat?

BalthazarImpresario · 27/10/2015 10:22

So those in favour are happy that children who didn't ask to be born and have no power over their circumstances are to suffer?

It has been pointed out over and over the sheer expense in certain areas mean what is perceived as a high wage isn't really.

What lovely human beings you are.

ElizabethG81 · 27/10/2015 10:24

The other thing that annoys me a little and this is in no way personal after all I don't know you personal circumstances but why should tax payers support children when their own parents don't both support them?

Hmm Sheltered life, much?

Methemummy · 27/10/2015 10:25

I grew up on a council estate surrounded by families who chose benefits as a way of life. Even some of my own family members. I know people who chose to only work 16 hours a week even though they have been offerd full time work. I decided that wasn't the life I wanted for my family.

I earn 14k a year part time working close to 25 hours a week. I am hardly living in a 100k household!

Dawndonnaagain · 27/10/2015 10:27

but why should tax payers support children when their own parents don't both support them? So what do you suggest, they starve on the streets?
A workhouse, perhaps?
Hmm

ElizabethG81 · 27/10/2015 10:29

So how the hell can you be confident that you can raise your children to adulthood without ever needing any benefits?

Methemummy · 27/10/2015 10:30

No I don't suggest starving on streets I suggest both parents step up and support the children THEY created.

Maybe that is an old fashioned view but I didn't chose to bring those children into society.

StormyLlewelyn · 27/10/2015 10:30

Those of us that receive no help from CB and tax credits have to budget.

Whereas those of us who do get help from CB and TC don't budget at all. I don't know about everyone else but personally I sleep on a huge pile of money, I wipe my backside with £20 notes, and last week I sat in the town centre throwing pound coins at the pigeons. Budget? What budget?

Until wages reach a level where people can actually afford to live then it is absolutely right that the government support those who need it and absolutely right that they pay top ups to enable people to cover childcare costs. No childcare means no work.

We have a shockingly high level of child poverty in this country and the use of food banks has skyrocketed. No amount of budgeting will resolve the issue of working full time and not having enough money to cover your basic outgoings.

Fairylea · 27/10/2015 10:30

I had no idea that so many people were born clutching a crystal ball..... Hmm

DansonslaCapucine · 27/10/2015 10:31

Let's see - everyone now loves the House of Lords and will supposedly be thankful when the cuts aren't quite so harsh. Who exactly is this a win-win for?

If you don't think Osborne is the real winner here the you are very naive.

needastrongone · 27/10/2015 10:34

If you don't therefore qualify for CB as you stated earlier, then I suspect you have a partner that does earn a relatively high wage?

Shutthatdoor · 27/10/2015 10:36

If you don't think Osborne is the real winner here the you are very naive.

I do think it is naive to think that they won't go through in some form or other imo.

NicoleWatterson · 27/10/2015 10:36

but why should tax payers support children when their own parents don't both support them?
Its ok, the poor will die out when they can't heat or eat so it will be survival of the fittest (or as we are now richest). We won't need to support them if they aren't there. Although I'm not sure who will make my skinny latte or deliver my Ocado shop?!?!?

Life is not that simple, illness happens, disability happens, death happens. No one knows whats around that corner, and thats what benefits are for. Yes theres people that abuse the system, but in all honesty id sooner the odd few abuse it and its there to pick up the people who need that help than get rid of it to spite the few.

Just remember one day those kids your paying to support will have jobs, they will be paying taxes and this in turn will be what pays part of your pension.

Methemummy · 27/10/2015 10:37

A few hundred pounds above the threshold needastrongone. Which means no CB and no Tax credits for us.

needastrongone · 27/10/2015 10:39

And can therefore make choices (and judgements) that others can not.

Perhaps education and support for those who make welfare a 'choice'? Or should we leave them to fester with their mobile phones and sky TV's? Smile

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 27/10/2015 10:40

It is an old fashioned view - it's a very Victorian attitude really, which is not one to proud of. 'Let the children live in poverty with not enough food, and no opportunities because the parents can't support them.'

Society had become more enlightened on this - that child poverty isn't something that should be accepted in a rich society. Gordon Brown's drive to end child poverty is being carefully and deliberately dismantled by Cameron and Osborne, and it's shameful.

needastrongone · 27/10/2015 10:42

Nothing for us either. We've had very little and very much needed CB years ago and now we have a high income. It's still easier to make choices when you have more, it honestly is.

merrymouse · 27/10/2015 10:42

Internet access and mobile phones are increasingly necessary items. You can't give your child 10p and assume that they will be able to find a working pay phone.

increasingly people are penalised if they don't carry out transactions on-line.

Schools routinely assume home internet access for homework.

The idea that they are luxuries just sounds ignorant.

ElizabethG81 · 27/10/2015 10:43

So, your partner earns over £60k? Plus you earn £14k and only work 25 hours per week.

It seems your master plan for never having to claim benefits entirely relies on your partner's high salary. What a 100% fool proof plan.

merrymouse · 27/10/2015 10:44

but why should tax payers support children when their own parents don't both support them?

Benefits recipients do pay tax. Would you prefer it if benefits were rebranded as tax cuts?

needastrongone · 27/10/2015 10:46

And we are now an employer, who pays all our staff excellent wages for the jobs that they do, looked after them all these through the tough economic years, but can't afford the fancy accountants to avoid tax (which we would absolutely not anyway)

Not everyone is lucky enough to work for us though!! And I don't know how the Govt will be able to enforce fair pay and conditions, therefore alleviating the need for credits anyway.

suzannecaravaggio · 27/10/2015 10:48

why should tax payers support children

Because society as a whole has an interest in the wellbeing of the next generation, we all benefit if they are productive educated and high functioning

decisionsdecisions123 · 27/10/2015 10:49

Methemummy, words fail me. I cant decide if you are ignorant, arrogant or smug or maybe a mix of the three. What will you do/what would you have done if you weren't living with someone earning a very good wage? Yes, I'm sure you would have no doubt held down a secure job with long hours and fantastic pay so you never had to claim anything. What's it like to be able to maintain such a perfect lifestyle?? You're the best!

And yes, the idea that a mobile and internet is a luxury is just plain silly. Excuse me while I go off and send a text from my £3.75 a month mobile.

Backforthis · 27/10/2015 10:52

I suspect Methemummy thinks there's no such thing as society ...

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