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To ask those who voted for the conservatives ....

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ginorwine · 19/10/2015 07:28

Reading the threads here there is much criticism about conservative policy .
A lot of people must have voted for them .
Where are they on mums net ?
And on threads such as those re the w t c cuts are they not representing their views as it was clear this would happen ?
I can tell that they may be slated but surley differing views can be expressed so long as it doesn't get nasty - a know that feeling run high but surley ppl can do so .
So to Tory voters -is it how you anticipated .what are your views ?

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 20/10/2015 07:09

Am pretty sure the poster who said that to Helena is on this thread. Thankfully her extreme views are not shared by all.

GymBum · 20/10/2015 07:41

I think we can all agree that there are twits on both sides of the political fence

^this^

Helena I would simply ignore anyone posting something so idiotic. Regardless of political party loyalties/leaning, I really don't know anyone that would actually believe hot water and heating in any home was a luxury. Those types of posts are an indication of someone simply being nasty rather than a reflection of what conservative voters think. That's also why I don't bother getting involved because someone from one side or another will pop up and start posting that sort of stuff. Ridiculous.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 20/10/2015 07:47

No I think this person does actually believe this. But her views are rather err extreme.

TeamScoutRifle · 20/10/2015 08:22

I voted Tory, everyone I know also voted Tory I believe. Same reasons as lighteningirl.

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 20/10/2015 08:32

Possibly Fanjo. In the millions of Labour voters you can probably find some Stalinists. If they popped up here and said something ridiculous, I wouldn't be silly enough to think that is what all Labour supporters think. I could use my common sense.

GymBum · 20/10/2015 09:00

Thank god most people don't think like that. I do believe these type Of people want to see you react, they want to upset, shock and they probably get some strange thrill out of it. Ignore it.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 20/10/2015 09:13

Another Tory voter here with no regrets so far.

I personally don't think the answer to all the problems in the UK is to keep throwing cash at them.

It doesn't work on a small, family scale, not sure why it's expected to work on a countrywide scale.

unlucky83 · 20/10/2015 10:04

I agree with that completely Iknow - looking at another thread about nurses and how they are more or less doing the same job as Junior doctors used to and their former role is now being carried out by HCA...
This was Gordon Brown - decided that doctors did a fantastic job and they should be paid better (and I'd agree with that) but failed to cost it properly.
So the NHS can't afford enough doctors so delegate work to nurses (who were also being paid more) so they can't afford more nurses so delegate their roles to HCAs who are paid a pittance...
Same true for teachers and TAs, Police and special constables/PSCOs.
Instead of throwing money at them it would have been better to control property prices (if nothing else firmer controls on lending ...global crisis anyone?) which would have stopped the massive property price hikes (you can't sell at a price no-one can afford to pay) and control rent/ the BTL market.
There is no difference between earning £1000 a month and paying £200 rent/mortgage and earning £2000 a month and paying £1200 pm rent. You get the same amount of cash in your pocket in the end. (And of course the knock on effect on private employers needing to pay their staff more to afford to rent/buy anywhere (backed up by the NMW escalation but cushioned by Tax Credits) which can only increase the production and retailing cost of everything you buy therefore making that £800 have less buying power - except then you control inflation...and therefore increase the dependence on tax credits to support employees wages...)

Jaxsbum · 20/10/2015 10:05

im still waiting for the answer to my question as to how the tories are helping poor people

IceBeing · 20/10/2015 10:06

eh? big debt (many times yearly family output) is also the norm at the family level.

If you could get a better higher paid job by owning a car...you would buy the car even though you had a massive mortgage wouldn't you?

So spending money while in massive debt can even be the sensible answer at the family level.

Having said that the macro scale of economics isn't even remotely similar to the micro.

I never understood the whole extrapolation from individuals shouldn't spend more than they have on average to countries shouldn't spend more than they have on average. A lot of countries are doing just that very VERY successfully, and recovery from the global crash faster. I have no idea why we are some sort of special case it wouldn't work for.

IceBeing · 20/10/2015 10:12

The thing about crazy talk from people who vote conservative...is that parties really do get tarnished by the crazies who vote for them.

Does it matter if the leadership of UKIP isn't actually racist or xenophobic if their policies attract the support and votes of people who ARE?

Does it matter that the Green party leadership isn't actually comprised of lentil weavers if people who vote for them go on TV and cry and say but what about the poor gorillas all the time?

So what we know is that the conservatives attract a lot of people who are only in it for the profit they can make from a conservative government. And also some crazy people who want to bring back hanging think hot water is too good for people on benefits.

It doesn't tell you what all conservatives think...but it does tell you what kind of people their policies appeal to.

I honestly don't know what the wackos in the labour party/ lib dems say to bring them into disrepute...maybe someone can fill me in...maybe as its the centre ground the population of extreme views is smaller?

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 20/10/2015 10:26

Really? Maybe the belief that your way is the only way means you don't see why other people might not agree with your "centre ground" view.

Same as the UKIP, Tory, Green, Lib Dem people.

To me it's obvious that throwing money into a bottomless pit is pointless, to you it's obvious that it's the best way to help those that need it, to UKIP it's all the fault of immigrants....

Bigbiscuits · 20/10/2015 10:29

calling people "scum" and spitting on them?

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 20/10/2015 10:44

The thing about crazy talk from people who vote conservative...is that parties really do get tarnished by the crazies who vote for them.

Fair enough, but those of us who are not completely partisan have noticed that there is some crazy talk from Labour voters too.

GymBum · 20/10/2015 10:46

And threatening to rape a woman because she attended a conference. There are extremely wackos in all walks of life.

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 20/10/2015 10:49

Exactly GymBum, this was reprehensible, but I don't take it as a general representation of Labour attitudes towards women.

GymBum · 20/10/2015 10:55

High totally agree.

Jaxsbum · 20/10/2015 11:53

ok 3 times I have asked for some one to clarify a point made in a post....been ignored, so can only assume that is cos its untrue that they do.
`~"I believe the Tories actually want to help poor people'

shame as I was interested as thought i might have missed it(unusal as a longterm carer)

Radicalrooster · 20/10/2015 12:05

I suspect that what was meant was that the Conservatives want to help the 'poor' (relative or absolute, I'm not sure) by engendering an attitude of self-reliance, independence and aspiration that draws them away from the debilitating teat of the ever-present Government cash-cow.

It's about encouraging a new mind-set.

Jaxsbum · 20/10/2015 12:06

so how does that help the disabled people who can't work? yet are being targeted by cuts?(asking here cos no one is rowing and hopefully I will get a sensible answer)

Janeymoo50 · 20/10/2015 12:08

Looks to me you want a row, so I'm staying out of it.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 20/10/2015 12:12

It leaves them screwed over

Jaxsbum · 20/10/2015 12:28

why I sit a row? why can't the question be asked?I have said why I asked here, yet no one answers. surely if people know, they can answer me

homebythesea · 20/10/2015 12:36

jaxsbum the idea. Scenario would be that the welfare state is there for those that genuinely need it, so including the genuinely disabled unable to work etc. This is what it was designed for, a safety net. It will take a long time to create a change in the way people think and act. This is what the Conservatives are starting.

homebythesea · 20/10/2015 12:37

Ideal scenario obvs

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