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To try to educate my friend that she is racist

135 replies

eedon · 10/10/2015 13:20

She keeps saying things like "I don't think white guys are attractive". Ive said in passing not to say that around people as its racist, she's replied with " no its not, I like them " and I've not challenged her more.

She is racist right? If she just said " I find brown skin very attractive" that would be totally fine to me.

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Narp · 10/10/2015 15:06

I think it's narrow-minded, and like a lot of narrow-mindedness, may well be motivated by unconscious racism

MrsDeVere · 10/10/2015 15:07

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DontHaveAUsername · 10/10/2015 15:08

I don't think that's racist. She's just saying what she is more attracted to.

LBOCS2 · 10/10/2015 15:12

Magick, of course you can be racist against white people. The definition of racism is:

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

x2boys · 10/10/2015 15:13

i think Lndnmummy has a very good point about her and her dh being just two people who fell in love if you dismiss everybody that doesnt fit your criteria of what you thought was attractive then you might just dismiss the right person i.m probably not explaining myself well ,but i thought i had a type and the man i married and fell and love with was nothing physically like what i though my type was.

Narp · 10/10/2015 15:14

I agree x2boys. To dismiss a whole race is just a bit silly

Flumplet · 10/10/2015 15:15

No it's not racist, it's perhaps shallow though. Who you find attractive is not the same as who you treat with respect, dignity and equality. I don't find overweight men attractive or men with bald chests for instance, that doesn't mean to say I would treat an overweight man with a bald chest with less respect or dignity than a regular weight man with a hairy chest. It's just personal preference imho.

SurferJet · 10/10/2015 15:15

YABU: I don't fancy women but I'm not homophobic.

I've only ever been sexually attracted to tall white men with dark hair. Although I can appreciate other types I just don't fancy them.

Arfarfanarf · 10/10/2015 15:17

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wickedlazy · 10/10/2015 15:21

Haven't read tft, but I have seen tons of black men on TV and in films that I find attractive. Less irl. But I have never seen one chinese man irl, or on TV/in a film/in a magazine that I fancied. I find Arabic and Latino men are the most attractive, blonde haired white men the least. Put that' my personal taste/preference. Any everyones is different? I don't like beards, but some woman are gafa for them?

wickedlazy · 10/10/2015 15:21

*gaga

SionnachDana · 10/10/2015 15:35

I haven't read every post but attraction is linked to race I think. EG, a chinese man would have to be drop dead gorgeous to his own race for me to notice him. Whereas a white man would just have to have nice eyes, teeth and be lean and fit for my eyes to wander over him Blush I'm not sure if this is racist. Perhaps it is. Confused

Flumplet · 10/10/2015 15:40

In My last post I put shallow - I mean superficial. I think if I did meet a larger man with a bare chest who completely took my breath away with wit and good manners, I might be swayed. I might not fancy him but he might grow on me.

AdjustableWench · 10/10/2015 15:42

If I heard someone say what the OP's friend said, I'd probably draw the conclusion that they were quite likely to be racist, even if what they actually said wasn't out-and-out racist.

I'm sure there are people who go through life never finding a single white man (or black man, or whatever) attractive, but I don't really see the need to comment on it.

RufusTheReindeer · 10/10/2015 16:25

An ex boss (female) of mine came up to me at a works do in a very busy pub and asked me if i fancied Imran Khan

I said no and announced to everyone in earshot (and she was very loud) that

"Rufus doesn't fancy indian men either"

Wtf????

theycallmemellojello · 10/10/2015 16:45

Apart from anything else, I don't think it's possible to be racist against white people. YABU.

UnDeuxCrois · 10/10/2015 16:51

Smile Rufus

I assume your boss's attention that Imran Khan isn't Indian.

IrenetheQuaint · 10/10/2015 16:53

If she keeps saying it that does indicate prejudice of some sort. It's an odd thing to keep bringing up (as opposed to mentioning it once in passing in a relevant conversation).

UnDeuxCrois · 10/10/2015 16:54

Wait, did you actually say that theycallmemellojello? How can racism be restricted to certain races? It is true that white people have generally suffered far less racism but to say it is impossible is ridiculous.

UnDeuxCrois · 10/10/2015 16:56

Argh. First post should have said that I assume it escaped your boss's attention that Imran Khan isn't Indian.

Lndnmummy · 10/10/2015 17:14

Hey? White people cant suffer racism? That is bullshit, sorry.

Back to the OP, to me, to disregard attractivness of an entire race, IS racist. I would never dream of saying or thinking something like that but I understand that many people do.
I am not going to keep going over the stupid remarks me and my dh have heard over the years. We would be here all day.

bolleauxnouveau · 10/10/2015 17:24

Would she fancy this guy.

MaidOfStars · 10/10/2015 17:26

White people CAN suffer racism, the point is they DON'T.

Racism requires institutional power and describes a societal structure that favours, directly or indirectly, one race over another.

White people aren't disproportionately targeted by police, they get more job interviews and better grades at school, they are less likely to live in poverty, etc.

I am white. I have experienced prejudice and nastiness at the hands of people of other races. I have never experienced racism.

MaidOfStars · 10/10/2015 17:28

(I only recently came to this way of thinking after an interesting thread on racism right here)

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