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To expect DP not to read my text messages

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Hiddenipad · 24/09/2015 09:53

We've been together four years. 1 DC. I have 2 DC with my ex husband, divorced 6 years ago.

DP has always disliked the fact that ex is still in my life to the degree of being pleasant at drop offs, texting re kids, being at school stuff, birthdays etc. We don't communicate for any reason other than the DC but DP has expressed his dislike of us texting/phoning each other. DP does have a jealous streak which he knows I won't pander to and it has got better over the last few years.

About a month ago the iPad went missing. We searched high and low and couldn't find it. The iPad is connected to my account and all texts from my phone also go to the iPad via iMessage.

I've just been doing a deep clean in our bedroom and found the iPad, fully charged under DPs side of the bed hidden inside a boot box. All the text messages from the last month have been read. He's clearly hidden the iPad and been checking on all the messages going to and from my phone since it went missing. If it had just happened to be under there it would've been dead by now and when switched on the messages would have said unread.

I thought something weird was going on as last night he went to bed early and ex text me to ask how a school open evening for DD had gone. I text back and said oh not bad, think we are too far out of catchment though. That was the end of the conversation. Ten minutes later DP comes downstairs and says 'oh have you spoken to ex about the open evening?' which was weird in itself. He was obviously trying to see if I would lie? about having text him.

AIBU to think this is way out of fucking line and rip his head off when he gets home? I've never done anything to make him think I am untrustworthy. Ex has a long term partner and we have both moved on.

WWYD?

OP posts:
ScandiCinnamon · 24/09/2015 23:08

Feelings and reactions are obviously all running very high right now. Space and time to come down from that. For both of you. In my personal experience no rational conversations are ever had in this acute inflamed state. More bad decisions are made in the heat of the moment.
I guess his natural reaction at the though of losing you is to want to talk, needing to reassure and to be reassured.

In a way of he's away for a while it would do you both good. Space. Time. Reflect.

And then counselling.

ScandiCinnamon · 24/09/2015 23:10

(Sorry about typos, on mobile).

NameChange30 · 24/09/2015 23:30

God, the account of his behaviour this evening is so depressing to read. Initially I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and think he might be able to address his issues. But now I think he's just a big fat twat. Sorry OP. He is either nasty or pathetic, or both, and neither of those things is attractive. Please think carefully about whether you want to continue this uphill struggle.

Namechangenell · 24/09/2015 23:41

Good. You have a month whilst he's away to chuck his stuff out and get your life in order. Do not buy a house with this weirdo. Think of your children. What would you say to them in the future if one of their partners was doing something like this? You deserve so much more.

Jux · 25/09/2015 09:03

It would be wise to reassess the buying of a house together. You need to be certain that the relationship encompasses the basics. This one doesn't at the moment, and may never.

CallMeMaybe · 25/09/2015 09:07

He's not sorry for what he did, he's sorry that he was caught. This has been all about him he feels like crap, he wants you to love him again, he wants to go back to the way things were. What about you?

On Thursday night this man was reading your messages upstairs as you were writing them. And then he came back downstairs and asked you if you'd contacted ex. Clearly designed to catch you out, doing what exactly? Given he's going away for a month the iPad would presumably have been going with him, y'know, so he could read your messages on it while he was away. what else is on the iPad? facebook? mn? other means by which you can speak to people?

If you hadn't caught him he would have continued reading your messages, for how long I wonder? He has been reading your messages for weeks. He knows there is nothing going on between you and your ex, or anyone else, and yet he is still reading them. When I realised my ex was doing this he said "I know that there's nothing going on, I was going to stop anyway." to which I responded "but you didn't, did you? You knew there was nothing going on and yet you continued to read, and to make remarks based on things I'd written." He couldn't answer me. And he had my fb/twitter/other accounts set up on his phone so he was getting notifications of any messages I received.

Even if you were to go through therapy and he swore never to do it again you would never be able to trust him again. You couldn't get to a point where your phone was an open book, where you felt you could give him a password or access to any of your devices, and you would always wonder whether or not he knew who you were messaging, every time he made a comment which might have been near to something you'd written to someone. And then there would come a point where he starts insisting that he can be trusted again. Except your phone and your messages are private, so you wouldn't be obliged to let him in, and he would make it all about him again.

That feeling of being watched is one which doesn't go away. I am years on from it and still sometimes I get a feeling that ex is still watching what I'm doing by things that my dc come out with in terms of what he's said to them.

This is not just reading someone's text messages. It is gaslighting, abusive behaviour, designed to make the op accountable for everything she does, says, etc.

Eventually I stopped going out. stopped seeing friends because it caused issues between us, and then he started saying I should get some help because I'd lost my confidence.

I am Shock that people feel sorry for this arsehole. If he was beating the op up because of his past would we feel sorry for him ? no. Insecurity takes many forms, and while if he has been a genuine victim of violence he deserves sympathy for what he went through in the past, the way he has chosen to react to it is his responsibility. But I wonder what the ex would have to say for herself, and whether there is in fact more to this.

This man is emotionally abusive. He has gaslighted the op for weeks, and would have continued to do so but for the fact she found out.

I have been on mn for over ten years and I am rarely of the LTB persuasion. And yes, it could be said that I am projecting from my own experiences, but it's ones experiences which do give a perspective on what it's like to live in that kind of situation. You can't actually know what it feels like until you've experienced it. I had nothing to hide and my xh had full access to my phone, email, etc. All he had to do was have a conversation if he felt insecure. But instead he had to go behind my back. I still have nothing to hide, and my dp can pick up my phone, computer etc whenever he wants. It's not the need to hide things that is the issue, it's the need of other people, the op's dp in this case, to see things that causes the issue.

Op, you have a month without him now. this is IMO a good thing. This gives you time to re-discover your independence, become your own person, learn to live on your own again. And when he gets back throw his gaslighting abusive arse out the door.

MotherOfFlagons · 25/09/2015 09:31

I know this kind of thing can be a big red flag in terms of EA, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is EA, if you see what I mean.

When DH snooped on me, I was furious with him. There wasn't even anything to find apart from emails between me and friends. It was his own insecurities because his previous GF had cheated on him and treated him very badly. He knew what he'd done was wrong, admitted to me that he'd done it and we had a big discussion about why he'd felt that he needed to snoop. He was genuinely sorry and we've gone on to have a close and trusting relationship.

On the other hand, I've also had another ex snoop on me but it was very definitely part of a pattern of abusive and controlling behaviour. He was not sorry he did it, he said he had to do it because of 'how I am', and when I caught him out, he said he had every right to keep an eye on me as and when he felt like it.

Clearly the OP needs some headspace to think about stuff and her DP going away for a few days has probably come at a good time. Personally, I'd be giving some thought to whether the snooping was part of a pattern of EA behaviour or simply an issue with his insecurity which can be addressed.

callMeMaybe · 25/09/2015 09:50

IMO it's not the snooping here that's so much the issue, although obviously snooping isn't to be encouraged. But the op's dp has been gaslighting the op, making her believe the iPad was missing, even going so far as to help her look for it, while in the meantime using it to check her messages.

In some ways I can even see the obsession with picking up a phone or iPad or pc which someone might leave lying around, and have a look at the messages, although again, I would want to question why.

But there is snooping and then there is going to extraordinary lengths to obtain information.

removing an iPad, gaslighting your partner, playing along with the notion the iPad is missing and helping your partner look for it, pretending not to find it, all to be able to have access to their messages is a boundary no-one should cross.

Thisisbonkers · 25/09/2015 09:57

To follow what mumsknitter suggested re:steroids, if this is remotely possible then please be very wary of his paranoid behaviour Sad I know of (only one, admittedly) a tragic case where steroid induced paranoia ended very badly Sad

Jux · 25/09/2015 10:02

He has been very very dishonest, and has only stopped because he was found out.

It's not a question of his insecurity, it's his dishonesty. Can you trust him now, Hidden?

He hasn't done anything you have asked of him either. You wanted him to leave you alone but he kept nagging and pulling at you. Starting with a bit of honesty - sorry I did it, I shouldn't have - but went on to "feel sorry for me" very quickly.

He needs to understand that when he does something wrong he should apologise, feel remorse, make it up to you, change his behaviour.

He hasn't done that. Has he spoken of anything he could do to change and to ensure he can become trustworthy to you?

BumpTheElephant · 25/09/2015 10:21

So in order to reassure himself that you are not lying or being deceitful he decided to lie to you and deceive you?
If he can take your Ipad, help you look for it and pretend it's lost and then use it to check up on you then what else is he capable of? By trying to prove that you are untrustworthy he has shown himself to be untrustworthy and fucking weird

ijustwannadance · 25/09/2015 10:42

He definately would've taken the ipad with him. Just to try to prove that the second he is away, your ex and the rest of the imaginary men you are cheating on him with will be lining up at your door.

He is behaving like a child who has been caught being naughty when they put on the fake tears to delfect.

Do you ask him constantly who he is texting, seeing when at work. Who he will be with for a month when away?

I understand he is insecure but don't get the self sabotage.

diddl · 25/09/2015 15:07

It does make you wonder when/if he would ever have stopped.

Surely all he has ever read has shown him that there is nothing going on with your ex oranyone.

He has the proof, but it's not enough!

Prettyeyedpiratesmile · 25/09/2015 15:40

Do what shite and goddess have suggested!

SlightlyAshamed1 · 25/09/2015 15:42

I don't think it's about proof.

The kindest explanation is that it is about knowing that you are in control of the information. The sort of anxiety that runs through OCD and being in control of an environment.

A less kind explanation is that it is a search for ammunition - knowing what upsets the OP. Knowing what to use to try and trip the OP up.

I'm a bit worried that the OP hasn't been back. I am hoping she still has access to the internet.

Hiddenipad · 25/09/2015 16:11

Don't worry I'm still here Smile

DP is at work but I've had a long day so haven't been on much. He's cancelled the month away and DC are going away tonight so we can talk.

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hellsbellsmelons · 25/09/2015 16:15

I really hope you can resolve things OP (if that is what you want of course)
Try to enjoy the peaceful evening without kids.

SlightlyAshamed1 · 25/09/2015 16:50

Please please please don't make any of the answer to this your problem or your responsibility.

It really wasn't good that he didn't give you space.

It is up to you, but please keep posting. He convinced you that he didn't know where the iPad was, he has been prodding away with comments that can only be explained by snooping, he did that dreadful thing in the restaurant, I would not be surprised if you end up doubting yourself.

If you post here you will get a lot of people who may have had bitter experience of this sort of thing helping you run a quick reality check.

Also, please please please please

DO NOT AGREE TO DO ANYTHING STRAIGHT AWAY. INSIST ON TIME TO THINK ABOUT THINGS

Sorry, but if he won't let you think you need to ask yourself why.

Wishing you lots of luck and sending hugs.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/09/2015 16:58

Make sure the conversation is about how you feel not how he feels. You are the wronged party. He should feel bad, he is the guilty party.

Jux · 25/09/2015 17:07

Don't let him rush you into agreeing anything for tonight. That little toddler tugging at the sleeve stuff he's been doing is not going to help solve anything long term, though it might quiet things down for a short time. He's probably not doing it on purpose, but if he starts you need to nip it in the bud straight away. You're not having a relationship with a child, you need a proper grown up.

Think about things. Think about everything that's proposed everything. You can't go forward successfully if you don't make strong foundations.

Muckogy · 25/09/2015 17:12

i would call it a day.
sorry and probably not helpful - but this all sounds very bad and sometimes its better just to cut your losses and split.

fuzzpig · 25/09/2015 17:44

Interesting point about steroids. Might be worth looking into, especially as you've said he's so concerned about being attractive to you, the perfect body etc.

He needs to really sort himself out. It sounds utterly awful what he went through - my DH also had an abusive first wife, he grew up abused by his mother and then found himself in an abusive marriage. It does explain a lot of what you've said, but not excuse it. DH had some jealousy/paranoia issues too (as was I - also abused as a child) but we both worked on it.

Kickedinthetits · 25/09/2015 17:45

The way he basically said "forgive me and shut up about it or leave" is terrible. Why does he think he gets to call all the shots? He sounds completely screwed up and very very manipulative.
I don't think I could consider having a future with this man.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 25/09/2015 18:20

Agree with Kicked in that

'The way he basically said "forgive me and shut up about it or leave" is terrible'

And when he was pestering you and whining that he felt bad... What the hell does he expect you to do about it? He made this situation, and he's doing everything he can think off to force himself into the poor little baby 'softly softly don't hurt special baby's feelings' and you into the big bad monster parent/baddie role.

He feels bad? Well, so what?! He's the one in the wrong, therefore his feelings are not to take centre stage, or even an equal turn... He sounds like a pathetic child, waaahh me me meeee!

Ugh, sorry, I was happy to suggest helping and learning vs punitive action before his incredibly shocking tantrum when his mummy dared to point out what he'd done and even worse, have a feeling about it! Clearly my sympathy has waned somewhat!

It's such such a disrespectful and manipulative way to behave towards you. That is the really concerning thing.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 25/09/2015 20:05

One thing that has occurred to me:-

Even taking out the horrible spying - he took a valuable and much used belonging of yours and he hid it. He watched you search for it and presumably worry about where it was and have to go without it and he did nothing. He let the situation go on.

That alone is pretty hard to forgive in my book.

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