They're not refugees, we're being invaded

[goonthenflameme]

I admit, the Syrians have got it bad. There is a war and those boys who haven't been shot by ISIL are being conscripted by the President.

But if life is that bad, why do they only want to go to Germany and if they can't go then then they'll go back to Syria.

Why are we now seeing people from Kazakstan joining the throngs?

I agree that people from Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria need help. But the thougsands and thousands of people coming through can't all be refugees in dire need of help if they are so picky as to where they will live.

They're invading Europe. And we are letting them. What's going to happen in 20 years? Will Christianity and western ways be swept under the carpet?

[MrsGentlyBenevolent]

nancy75 - they are trying to escape a dictatorship, not create a new one. If you look over to America, an apparent Western country, you will see the Christian movement trying (and being far more succesful) in denying people all those things you've listed.

[Fatmomma99]

What a horrible, nasty OP.

If this is Christianity and western ways then I, for one, will be glad to see them diluted beyond all recognition.

[MaudGonneMad]

Kazakhstan is an oppressive regime with significant human rights abuses. Well documented over a number of years. But you're not really interested in facts, are you OP?

[TheCatsFlaps]

And what Western ways shall we miss the most?

Probably the right not to be stoned to death under ISIS or not to have archaelogical sites blown up because they offend religious types?

[nancy75]

Your earlier post implies that we have nothing that we should be worried about losing, that's what I'm commenting on.

[MrsGentlyBenevolent]

Yes, nancy75, and I was merely exaggerating the point that the West is not as wonderful as we think it is. Yes, we have freedom, but instead of being proud of it, we try to hide it away and say "well tough shit, you were born in a crappy country where you probably can't call your Prime Minister a pig-fucker, without you and your whole family being shot. Don't get any ideas about trying to escape it, because your religion may be conservative, therefore you are automatically a homophobic, woman hating, terrorist".

[Behooven]

The op is making a point albeit not in the words I would use. There are an inordinate amount of young fit men compared to families/ women and children. And tbh what kind of man leaves his vulnerable relatives to face the music while he reaches for safety. Undoubtably many many of the refugees are genuine and need help but we shouldn't be scared to say it if we think there are some economic migrants in amongst them jumping on what they see as a bandwagon.

[shins]

Cherry, your assertion that Europe does not just belong to Europeans is demented and would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Those of you who dismiss western culture as "binge drinking" I suggest you do a bit of reading about the legacy of the Greeks and Romans, the revolutions that replaced canon law and feudal kingdoms with secular democracies, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, the art, music, literature and philosophy, the scientific advances and inventions, the trade union movement, the abolition of slavery, votes and equal pay and reproductive freedom for women, racism and homophobia proscribed by law, the welfare state. I suggest you travel the rest of theworld a bit and have some gratitude to your ancestors. Cultural relativism is the worst kind of ignorance.

[howtorebuild]

I have been upset to see those fit young Men elbow women and children to the back of the pack when it comes to transportation.

The BBC did a piece on a disabled girl and her sister who were left behind a while ago by their fit young Brother,why didn't he travel with them was a concern of mine?

[suzannecaravan]

even if they do have good reason to want to escape, in sufficient numbers people importing their own dysfunctional cultures and religious beliefs could be said to constitute an invasion

[SnookyWookyWooWoo]

Surely if Syria is that dangerous they'd be better to send their wives and kids first as they are under constant threat.Seems odd to me.
Also have heard that there are lots refusing to go to certain countries and stating they only want to go to Germany or come here to the UK. If your life is in danger you surely take the first safe place offered?

[MaudGonneMad]

in sufficient numbers people importing their own dysfunctional cultures and religious beliefs could be said to constitute an invasion

British Empire

[MrsGentlyBenevolent]

I suggest you do a bit of reading about the legacy of the Greeks and Romans, the revolutions that replaced canon law and feudal kingdoms with secular democracies, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, the art, music, literature and philosophy, the scientific advances and inventions, the trade union movement, the abolition of slavery, votes and equal pay and reproductive freedom for women, racism and homophobia proscribed by law, the welfare state. I suggest you travel the rest of theworld a bit and have some gratitude to your ancestors. Cultural relativism is the worst kind of ignorance.

Oh, yes, very easy to rememeber what Europe has achieved when you put it like that. Of course, we shall gloss over the countless wars (including two World Wars started by Western Christian countries), the need for the Berlin Wall, invasions of others (the Colonies), The Crusades (quite probably the reason the Middle East and the West are still at war to this day), how we chose to ignore what other countries are doing because they own the gas pipes. Yes, we have come far, but we have a history to be ashamed of as well. It is through great and terrible mistakes that we are only just learning how to treat others with equal respect. I don't think others should be denied the chance to see what is on the other side of a country making very bad desicions that affect their people for years to come.

[Cherryblossomsinspring]

Shins I am simply pointing out that we are all just passing through and had nothing but luck on our side when it came to where we were born.

[MargoReadbetter]

Can you please stop referring to people as amount? Use number, large numbers, not big amounts. I know its just poor language use but it bugs me. Especially in this context.

[suzannecaravan]

sure thing Margo, I'll try my best not to post anything which bugs you
perhaps you could list your pet hates so I know which ones to avoid?

[peggyundercrackers]

I do think this large influx of people will have an impact on the uk and the Eu - I wonder how many people would be happy to live under sharia law? I wonder how many freedoms would be taken away if that happened? Do you think our society would be as tolerant as it is now? Will our country or the rest of the Eu end up in years to come in a permanant state of war like the countries these people come from?

[JawannaDrink]

Not every woman is married to a young Man, what about unmarried women, the disabled, middle aged and elderly Women?

hmm, why aren't disabled or elderly woman walking across countries, sailing across oceans in deathtrap leaky boats or hiding in wheelarches of lorries and climbing over fences at borders?
I cant possibly imagine....

[Bogeyface]

I admit, the Syrians have got it bad.

Understatement of the century, you can have a just for that.

I understood that the reason that men tend to come over alone is that they are at the greatest risk of being forced to fight of one side or the other and being taken and tortured if they refuse. Its also a hell of a lot easier for a single man to get into a country undetected to claim asylum than to get a whole family through, they are more likely to survive the arduous journey too.

Women and children are still slightly less at risk of being abducted (slightly less), so the men come to Europe, claim asylum and are then able to bring over dependents, including elderly parents, disabled siblings etc, who are then identified and might get better passage here.

[Bambambini]

Snooky "Also have heard that there are lots refusing to go to certain countries and stating they only want to go to Germany or come here to the UK. If your life is in danger you surely take the first safe place offered?"

Snooky would you stay for what could be years in some horrible camp with your kids with everything that entails. Have you googled the camps? Would you settle for that for yourself or your own kids if their was a better alternative? I think you are a liar if you say you'd stay there either on your own or with your kids.

[MrsGentlyBenevolent]

peggyundercrackers - yes, because that's exactly what's going to happen. Just like all the times the West has gone over to places like India, Iraq, Pakistan etc, and totally changed their countries to accepting our way of living. I mean, a large goup of people invading a country always ends up with that country totally changing its ways in a few years. Like when Germany invaded half of Europe, and now you can't get by in Paris without a good grasp of the German language and a love of sausage......

[Bogeyface]

I wonder how many people would be happy to live under sharia law?

Yes, because thats the next thing that will happen isnt it?!

BTW, dont forget to pay your paper bill, the Daily Hate doesnt deliver itself you know.

[TheCatsFlaps]

Oh, yes, very easy to rememeber what Europe has achieved when you put it like that.

Nobody overlooks many of the things you have mentioned, but the fact you need to bring it up makes you seem like someone who insists on an apology for breathing in your direction if it suits your sanctimonious attitude.

[Bogeyface]

we shall gloss over................ the need for the Berlin Wall

Can you explain this comment please? I genuinely dont understand what you mean by it.