To think tha more than one carb for dinner is unnecessary (and will probably make you fat if done regularly)

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Just back from a friends and had a very interesting debate over dinner.

We all had homemade pizza and garlic bread which was bloody lovely but I made a comment about having a "carb on carb" meal to be met with blank stares... I explained further and not one person seemed to think there was anything odd about eating so many carbs at once.

There were 6 of us and I am the only fat one.

Half of the group said they have more than one carb with dinner "quite often" examples were jacket spuds served with Lasagne, some type of bread with pasta dishes and curry with rice and Naan - one friend has very posh bread on the table with every evening meal

We're all in our 30's, mostly have kids and jobs so no time for excessive gym attendance.

AIBU to think they are all talking utter shite?

I wouldn't do it regularly but if I'm having a treat, then I'm definitely having lasagne, chips and garlic bread! Curry always with rice, naan and pastry starters.. I couldn't do it regularly as yes I do blow up like a blimp, and stay slim by keeping the carbs low.

But clearly your friends can eat like that regularly and not get fat so it shows we're all different! Maybe they don't snack between meals, or they're not prone to weight gain, or they have small portions. It just sounds funny when we think about you sitting there telling them this when they don't have a weight problem and you say you do Ahh I wish I could eat like that all the time too.

I don't get it - unless as a PP said, it's 'double eating'

Slightly off topic, I had a flatmate at uni who had an (English) Aunt who lived in Italy. Every time someone made pasta with garlic bread (every bloody day almost - we were students) we would be treated to a lecture about how Italians would have a heart attack if they witnessed such bastardisation. We lost contact after graduation...

To be blunt; you are the only one of them who thought it was a problem, and you are the one with a weight problem. Why:on earth would they take your opinion on "carbs"?
Eating double carbs isn't the problem. Eating too much is. YABU

micah as I understand it carbs which aren't burnt off or used by the body are stored as fat whereas protein isn't. Carbs are basically sugar. There's some scientific thinking behind it all but to be honest, low carbing is bloody boring and restrictive

There isn't scientific thinking behind it, that's the problem. Not having a go at you btw, you were just unfortunate enough to answer me :)

I'm a biochemist. Honestly, it's bollocks. Too much food, be it carbs, protein, or fat, can be stored as fat. Protein can be broken down to sugar as well as carbs. The thing with the "science" behind it is it's very simplified, when metabolism is a huge and vastly complicated area.

It's been demonstrated, as you say Missfitt, that people lose weight on a high protein diet because they get bored of eating the same stuff and reduce the overall amount they eat. No magic.

Thank you, micah. Hopefully people might believe you that it is actually how much you put in your gob compared to how much you move your arse that matters.

OP - if you are the only fat one and no-one else believes that carbs are evil nonsense, perhaps that is telling you something?

don't forget that simple carbs (sugar) and complex carbs (bread, rice, spuds, pizza...) are not the same.

lurked I'm so with you on that "I wish I could eat like you" nonsense cause I have carby meals.

I don't believe in this fast metabolism shit either. I'm skinny cause I run more than I could ever eat back and not feel sick! (I burnt 2000 calories before 10am today for example) then had extra time on my feet doing food shop, making dinner etc etc.

I eat protein and fat ( by the way, there's nothing wrong with eating fat, if it's low fat then it's usually full of sugar)I'm full eating fat and protein but with carbs I'm not full for long.

I don't see how answering you can.be described as 'unfortunate' micah

The person who invented the Atkin's diet died from his own diet plan. Carbs are good.

Healthy weight is 90% clean eating and 10% cardio/strength training.

If you're worried about double carbs, just eat the allotted calorie amount you set aside for the meal (fist generally equals one portion of anything), and you'll get the equivalent to 1 portion of carbs.

As long as you're cooking with ingredients your body can digest and store, you shouldn't have a problem. Homemade carbs are way better than delivery pizza.

I eat exactly what I want to and I weigh 76kgs I don't give a flying fuck about carb this that or the other, its getting up off your arse and doing something that matters.

I just eat food I like, which is most food, I'd feel sludgy and horrible if I ate several carbs at each meal often and I'd feel hungry and fed up if I never ate carbs.
I only buy blue topped milk, I take sugar in my tea, I always have several types of cheese in my fridge, and crisps in my cupboard and I really like tofu.
Tonight I had American squirty cheese in a can on my dinner, later in the week is a morrocan mushroom dish.
Food is food is food.

Bulbasaur that's a load of uninformed bollocks.

He died after hitting his head on the pavement when he slipped on ice. He was on steroids and in a coma, hence why his weight ballooned at the end.

I thought I'd heard head injury too....

I pretty much always have more than one carb.

I love my carbs.

Not fat.

I'm in the school of thought that thinks "calories in, calories out" is what matters wrt getting fat. I can't really go for "Carbs make you fat" logic.

I have a thang about not eating too much wheat, so I try to minimise pasta & bread, but I'm not saying this is highly rational. OP's comment didn't sound rude to me, just chitchat.

Pizza and chips.

Pie and potatoes

Curry, rice and naan

Potatoes with everything. Especially with cheese on top

Yum!

Fuck me - so much bollocks being spoken here!

Micah

What's the difference between "filling up on protein" rather than carbs?

Why exactly would eating 500 calories of protein make you less likely to put on weight than 500 calories of carbs?

When you eat carbs, this is sugar, as far as your digestive system is concerned. The glucose in your blood stream causes insulin to be released, to sweep the sugar out of your blood stream. Some of this goes to provide immediate energy needs, some is stored for later energy needs, in the form of glycogen (stored in your liver and muscles), and the excess is laid down as fat.

When you eat protein, although your body produces some insulin, it's at a much lower level, so you don't lay it down as fat.

When you eat fat, your body doesn't produce any insulin so it isn't laid down as fat.

Ergo, if you fill up on carbs you are more likely to lay down fat.
If you fill up on protein you are much less likely to lay down fat.
If you fill up on fat you are even less likely to lay down fat.

MissFitt68

poster MissFitt68 Sun 20-Sep-15 20:08:22
micah as I understand it carbs which aren't burnt off or used by the body are stored as fat whereas protein isn't. Carbs are basically sugar. There's some scientific thinking behind it all but to be honest, low carbing is bloody boring and restrictive

There's a lot of scientific thinking about it! You didn't need carbs when you started training, if you were properly fat-adapted - if you were fat-adapted, which you would have been if you'd been low carbing for a while, then your body would have used fat as a source of energy rather than carbs. Your body can only store a certain amount of carbs, and it's quickly exhausted when you're doing an endurance sport like a marathon - this is why people talk about 'hitting the wall' when they're running, or 'bonking' when they're cycling. If you are fat adapted, you have plenty of fat to deal with your energy needs and this won't happen. Read The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance for more scientific evidence to support this.

80schild

I am so fed up of hearing from kook nutritionists who make money from the carb is bad mantra. The number of people who buy into it is ridiculous. Carbs aren't fattening - fat is fattening. As it is more calorie dense per gram it takes longer for fat to fill you up. Ask anyone with a degree in nutrition about this and I am 95% sure they will agree with me

People 'buy into it' because the science behind it is absolutely true. It's not about kook nutritionists. Carbs are absolutely fattening, for the reasons I've explained earlier on. Fat isn't.^

Bulbasaur

The person who invented the Atkin's diet died from his own diet plan. Carbs are good.

No, he slipped on the ice in New York and died from his head injury

There are two other things to talk into account - everybody deals with carbs differently, which is why some people can eat loads and not put on weight whereas others only have to look at them and gain half a stone.

The second thing is that your metabolic rate slows as you age.

So lots of you here who are in your 20s and 30s will still be 'getting away' with eating and drinking lots of things that you 'shouldn't' - but you'll struggle to eat/drink like this as you get older.

I am so glad you posted that BIWI.

whereas others only have to look at them and gain half a stone.

No you see they really don't. They actually have to eat them and if they're gaining half a stone, they're very likely eating far too much without burning it off.

I'm 46. I like a slice of garlic bread with my spag bol.

But I have 1 slice with a sensible portion of spag bol, not a plate piled high.

I really do think many people would be less worried about what they ate, if they just ate less of it.

The more you eat, the more your body needs to feel full. I can think of quite a few people who gradually cut down their portion sizes, and when they look back they can't believe how much they used to eat.

Agree with those saying surely this is all about the total intake, not if it is all one item, or a mix of two.
I would rather have one large slice of pizza, with some chips or dough balls or garlic bread, than a whole pizza without anything else to go with it.

If my dh or ds have a curry, both would opt for 'half and half' rather than one full portion of either rice or chips. Personally I quite like naan, but i tend to have a much smaller porton of rice than most people would - can't see why that would be bad.

Yanbu op. I find double carbs in meals a bit shocking (and something I would never go for, and also something I have posted about on MN before) but am also quite significantly overweight. It is very depressing to be confronted with the terrible inequality in metabolism rates amongst one's peers.

Biwi, what's your qualification? Are you a nutritionist?

I do serve two carbs occasionally as my dd and DH like it. I don't eat them both myself as I just don't like much to eat at one time. I also wonder about school meals at our school- pasta bolognase and garlic bread, followed by biscuits for pudding, being a typical one.

biwi most of what you say is incorrect. And that which is based on scientific research you are interpreting incorrectly.