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to think Corbyn is dead in the water

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oldshilling · 15/09/2015 18:39

Yes he's a nice chap with a nice beard, but silliness (principled though it might be) like refusing to sing the national anthem is not going to endear him to more than a small minority of the population.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34263447

And the signs are that he intends to be the gift that keeps on giving, in terms of pointless gestures that don't really achieve anything but make him a mega-target for the right-wing press.

Either he gets turfed out before the next GE, or he surpasses Michael Foot as the biggest loser in Labour's history.

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NotSoHappyBeet · 16/09/2015 12:40

Is he? That's a shame but not surprising I suppose considering the vitriol he's got over it.

I still maintain he can't win.

He didn't sing it! = Disloyal unpatriotic tosspot.

He did sing it! = What a hypocrite. See not that principled (If you don't think him singing it would have not been as big a story you haven't been reading the papers lately. Only a matter of time before his toilet habits become an issue of national security)

He didn't sing it but we all complained so now he will sing it! = Well he didn't stick to his principles did he. Weak.

Poor bloke Grin

Scremersford · 16/09/2015 12:43

I do think there is a belief on mumsnet that the general public are all stupid and manipulated by the Tory press. I think that's bollocks actually.

Theres certainly a tendency to tell people they are stupid, and for the poster to assume that they have some kind of intellectual superiority. Usually in the absence of any of the usual markers, such as a relevant degree, job or record of publication.

But that's a characteristic of the internet as a whole - people who do difficult jobs and who are good at them don't tend to waste time on the internet. Admittedly, I'm still chuckling at being told by a pp Do you know why you have very strong employment rights, Scremersford? when I'm an employment lawyer, and contribute to the regular revision of an employment law publication. But apparently you are not meant to mention your professionally relevance. I'm not sure why. You just aren't. Maybe because it then becomes more difficult for the left wing to ridicule your ignorance.

I think its great that there is so much debate. What isn't so good is the abuse and belittling that goes along with it. I often find myself thinking that its such a way of motivation, when the debater lacks any proper debating skills and so easily offends, when simply learning a few guidelines (which should be taught at undergraduate level) would make for a much more fulfilling exchange.

In my field, we have been encouraged to get out on social media more, for one thing, to try and correct ignorance.

Tiredemma · 16/09/2015 12:43

Two votes succeeded in the HoC yesterday that will impact upon millions of hard working people - and the people are more bothered whether JC sings the fucking National Anthem or not.

I cant even begin to describe how depressing that it.

Hellocampers · 16/09/2015 12:44

He asked questions of the PM as that's the whole point of PMQs!Hmm

It's when he has to answer them to journalists that it's the test.

Policies in the economy, immigration health education etc.

Asking is easy it's answering that's the bugger!

He's not done that yet.

Tiredemma · 16/09/2015 12:44

*is

Happytuesdays99 · 16/09/2015 12:50

I warm to him more than I did to Milliband. He seems a man of strong principles. I don't agree with all of them but I don't think he should be written off just yet.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/09/2015 12:52

Is anyone else a bit disgusted with the PLP? JC was democratically elected but democracy only counts if you vote the way most MPs want you to apparently

I agree up to a point, but given his thorough disloyalty to his party on the whip issue he's hardly in a position to complain now

A PP said the Privy Council was something he had to belong to, but why? Plenty of others are available for the job if his famous "principles" prevented him joining

And while it's true that a lot of trivia is getting dragged in, I'm personally more worried about his views on things like Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA Hmm

Ta1kinPeace · 16/09/2015 12:53

The words of the National Anthem vary over time, they used to include "rebellious Scot to Crush"
and their militarism varies over time

Verse 4 is nice.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen

Inkanta · 16/09/2015 12:53

Yes he did just fine, and what particularly impressed me was how he changed the tone in there and the exchange with Cameron, who respectfully answered his questions. There was no room for ridicule. A small but big step in the right direction at PQT I thought.

MrWriter · 16/09/2015 13:01

I really don't care whether he sings the national anthem or not. But as I Northern Irish person I have no say in any of the votes for PM so it worries me slightly that JC might be up for it.

His attitude towards the IRA is disgusting, all matey with convicted bombers and gunmen. These people are were terrorists and bomber and maimed many innocent people.

IMO anyone who associates with known terrorists and refuses to condemn the actions cannot be fit to run the country.

For goodness sake in NI we already have a parliament full of people with questionable morals, we don't need that in England too.

TiredOfPeople · 16/09/2015 13:04

I do think there is a belief on mumsnet that the general public are all stupid and manipulated by the Tory press. I think that's bollocks actually

^This.

If he can come up with a credible, viable way to financially support all these changes he's looking to make, I'll vote for him. I'm sure many current Tory voters would switch to him too. But right now it's all very pie in the sky.

I have a teacher friend who HATES the Tories, and voted for Jezza. What he hasn't seem to have clocked on to though is that with the way his career his taking off, by the time the vote comes around again he will be in the income range to incur that extra 7% tax of his earnings on top of everything else that will be taxed. He was complaining and moaning about his pension, and what the "Tories had done to hard working people", turns out though he's on three times the pension my husband will be on (and he thinks my husband's job means he is very well paid, far more so than him, but my husband's private sector pension is far, far less) - he has no idea that private sector pensions aren't actually all that great whatever Liebour have been trying to brainwash everyone to believe. But ah well. He'll find out soon enough if Corban ever gets voted in.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/09/2015 13:13

IMO anyone who associates with known terrorists and refuses to condemn the actions cannot be fit to run the country

This ^^

I can't help wondering if part of the problem here is that he never really expected to be party leader. It's all very well taking silly positions on the back benches, but previous choices have a way of coming back to bite you in a more visible role

pictish · 16/09/2015 14:11

Why on earth should he be expected to sing God Save the fecking Queen when he doesn't believe in either? This is not a dictatorship ffs.

ProfessorDent · 16/09/2015 14:13

The old ones aren't always the best, but this latest Downfall spoof exceeded my expectations..

Loquaciousd · 16/09/2015 14:15

I don't care about whether he sings the national anthem. I am interested to see his policies. So far he seems more interested in integrity than anyone else in politics or the press. That's a thumbs up.

batshitlady · 16/09/2015 14:17

Terrible, terrible man that Corbyn. Should the Queen die in the next few weeks, just remember whose fault it'll be........

Shutthatdoor · 16/09/2015 14:27

I do think there is a belief on mumsnet that the general public are all stupid and manipulated by the Tory press. I think that's bollocks actually

^ this

Hellocampers · 16/09/2015 14:30

why on earth should he be expected to sing God save the fecking queen

Because he aspires to be prime minister of the country and not president of Stafford Poly technique

Surely to Christ you can see the difference.

lardyscouse · 16/09/2015 14:30

I have never, and will never, sing the National Anthem. Good on him.

herethereandeverywhere · 16/09/2015 14:34

But MrWriter Adams and McGuinness are representing the people of NI and [aside from latest hysteria at Stormont] politicians from all sides have agreed to interact and move on.

I don't agree with Corbyn's historic stance on NI/the IRA but I also don't agree with the continuous 'look back never forward' problem that NI has. [Husband is from NI so have more experience than most].

Just as he's not going to fight for a Republic in the UK, he's not going to be hanging the Unionists out to dry in NI either. He's now in real, not theoretical politics.

Hellocampers · 16/09/2015 14:38

It's so bloody easy to ask questions but a hell of a lot harder to answer them.

He hadn't faced any questions yet has he?

Why couldn't Harriet have put her name forward. An experienced operator and very impressive as caretaker leader.

Yvette tried hard and apart from her habit of talking to everyone in a sad voice as if they were 5 and despite her vile husband she was shaping up well.

Great pity.

tiggytape · 16/09/2015 14:39

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Hellocampers · 16/09/2015 14:43

here if he was in real and not theoretical politics he should have sung the nationsl anthem.

Yes larfyscouse you don't have to though do you as presumably you don't want to become prime minister. Hmm

Hellocampers · 16/09/2015 14:45

Exactly Tiggy but you are wasting your breath.

Some people just don't seem to understand that what's acceptable in student days isn't acceptable on the world stage.

As presumably Corbyn now is beginning to realise.