Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader - Part 2

Bless you

Donotknow - I'm sure he will hang in there. But I understand what you mean. He is brave but there is a a hint of vulnerability with pure types like Colbyn that pull on the heart strings.

He has a serious problem that only about 30 MPs out of the 232 in the PLP supported him. He has gained a few more by giving them shadow cabinet posts, but their loyalty is fragile.

Several MPs have briefed against him to journalists and have said things like "give him enough rope to hang himself" and "he'll last 12 months at the most"

Effective Parliamentary Opposition requires nearly everyone pulling together. He can't concentrate on Cameron because he needs eyes in the back of his head, for his most dangerous opponents.

If the PLP remain in this mindset, the next year will be embarassing and chaotic.
He needs some good personal performances, but especially concrete results in the Scottish elections, London Mayor or byelections, to convince his MPs he is not a disaster.

BigChocFrenzy, you are right, it is going to be extremely difficult for him. However, the other Establishment lot that he beat are totally useless and would never have won an election anyway.

He is going to have to offer the people something spectacular to get them to change their votes and it will have to involve not taxing the middle class.

The problem he has got (apart from the snakes in his own party) is that student soundbites of "it doesn't have to be like this" are not going to good enough. He will have to have a stunning policy platform and one that has been planned. But I don't think there is a plan because the left never imagined that they could win, they only entered at the last minute to add to the debate. Now they are in charge, they need a plan quickly and they can't be tetchy or get needled when it is scrutinised.

It is not looking good for Labour, but good luck to them.

This may have been said before, but, I'm actually delighted to have a conviction politician as the leader of the opposition. Someone who has different views from the Tories and is not "Tory lite" (hateful expression). However a lot of his views and policies are mired in the 70's and so his chances of getting elected as PM are virtually zero.
Even the guardian don't see it as realistic, there is a piece in there today about Corbyn the first 100 days, that indicates he would rely on a Lib-Dem, Green & Labour coalition. I cannot see the country going for that ever.

I think this could lead to another split, as it did when Owen, Williams et al left and formed the social democrats.

there are too many Labour MP's that he has done the dirty on for him to ever succeed. Labour MP's who when in govt, he refused to support and who he briefed against. he went out of his way then to be as obnoxious and difficult as he possibly could be - holding meetings with people like Gerry Adams and other controversial figures when major policy announcements were taking place. He never thought he would get the top job so he never spent any time cultivating friendships and support amongst his colleagues.

There is going to be so much more coming out about him over the coming weeks that I don't personally see how he can survive.

the people in the Party that voted for him might like the idea of a maverick, a man of principal but the reality is he has pie in the sky policies that we are never going to be able to afford.

I asked it on the last thread and no one commented. he is part of the establishment because he has never held a job outside of politics and actually has no clue about how to manage people. he stands in a long line of Islington left wing luvvies who have some utopian idea of Britain in the 50's that they want to go back to.

the reality is that someone has to pay for renationalisation. it wont just happen voluntarily. he would be better off standing down now on a point of principle than going after a long slow political death.

I have no time for this man personally as I have worked in Local Govt in London for many years.

The way I see it, his natural inclination is to rebel against authority (even his own Party) rather than be the authority himself..........

It all seems rather chaotic and Student Union-esque to me.

So was it OK for David Davis, as a Tory backbencher, to criticise his own party's trade union bill at the weekend, describing some of the provisions as "Franco-style" restrictions on civil liberties?

JC was a backbencher; he was under no moral obligation to agree with every policy put forward by the Labour government.

Collective responsibility does not apply to backbenchers.

mummymeister, I am beginning to think you are right.

It looks like he is flying by the seat of his pants. No real plan, just a wish list. It may end in disaster. It is sad because it is evident that people have had enough of business as usual with our political class of luvvies, but this may end up even worse than that lot.

there are too many Labour MP's that he has done the dirty on for him to ever succeed. Labour MP's who when in govt, he refused to support and who he briefed against.

I'd disagree with this. Corbyn has ploughed his own furrow and stuck to his beliefs, but I don't recall him every "doing the dirty" or briefing against colleagues. He may have disagreed with their policies and voted his own way but I don't think he's been underhand.

I live in the adjoining constituency and he's well respected. On the main Lib Dem discussion forum at the moment, Baroness Hussein-Ece, a former Islington Councillor has pitched in against criticism to say she's known him for 25 years and he's decent and principled. For a Lib Dem to say that in Islington is remarkable. Labour / Lib Dem relations there are the political version of Rangers/ Celtic!

What I don't understand is why the MPs who are behaving in this manner aren't concerned about how their constituents might view them. Some MPs are planning some kind of rebellion.

So the message in a democracy, the way these MPs are quite happy for their constituents to behave, is that if you don't like the result, the democratic nature is irrelevant, and you can just do what you like anyway ?

Great example for kids.

I'm disappointed with the way the PLP have behaved. They were unlikely to win under the other shower. They might as well pull together and see what happens. There is a massive group of young non voters who are likely to vote for Corbyn if only to see what happens. I would say I was centre left and was disappointed when it became apparent Corbyn would become leader but British politics needs a shakeup and the massive light that there now is between the two main parties. The PLP should stand united or at least behave like grown ups even if they disagree. Corbyn had said he welcomes disparate views.

'the other Establishment lot that he beat are totally useless and would never have won an election anyway.'

Agree Claig, and I like the fact that he's a kind of anti hero that terrifies these labour dead eyed clones, and I can see him having far more success at the ballot than many give him credit for.

The public are easily beguiled by straight talking and he's causing quite a few ripples, particularly among the young, and he won by a relative landslide. He has a curious mixture of quite sensible views and downright outrageous ones - for example he favours a maximum salary! I would not be surprised if the next election isn't quite so cut and dried as it appears.

I am very disappointed so far. He has shown little leadership, preferring to stay within his comfort zone - 'my first act as leader is to attend the rally...'. That was not a first act as leader; that was just him carrying on being himself. Not everyone in the LP is in London or has the time to attend rallies etc, we want to see leadership at a time when the party is in crisis. Saying he'll rarely do PMQs, ducking out of interviews etc just to keep doing events he feels comfortable with is not on, imo.

I am bitterly disappointed that Cooper will not be up against David Cameron - she would have really got to him and brought out his tetchy, patronising side. I fear it is JC who will come across as tetchy as things stand.

I realise there is more to leadership than interviews - I am disappointed in the whole sorry thing atm.

I think some of you are being taken in by extremely biased press coverage (as a JC agnostic I am absolutely shocked at the standards of journalism on display over the past two days, including from the more "serious" liberal minded papers).

• he hasn't said that he won't do PMQs
  
• he was elected on a platform of building policy from the bottom rather than imposing it from the top.
  

I asked it on the last thread and no one commented Asked what? You have just stated an opinion, that's not a question.

He did turn up to the front bench in a dark suit though as a sop to propriety!

I preferred his old look. (I'm a shallow person I know..)

He doesn't intend to be a "leader" in a conventional sense , I don't find that troubling at all.

'I am absolutely shocked at the standards of journalism on display over the past two days, including from the more "serious" liberal minded papers'

Mistigri - so am I. Such a heart sink. Even the 6pm BBC News - and the young journalist stood outside Westmister giving a ridiculous negative summary in a voice full of dramatic effect.

At least it was satisfying to see Dennis Skinner gave Emily Maitliss a piece of his mind. I thought he was quite right that she was doing the relentless spinning/hamming up we've come to expect from our news media in the UK.

Oh good on Dennis Skinner there! It was spin.

I'm wondering if Emily Maitliss is the same journalist I saw on the the 6' O Clock news

Just got back to this thread and am appalled that some think my dh and dd getting assaulted is a joke.

And to the person who thought it was a joke as well that prices during a period in the 1970s would rise as you shopped I can assure you this was not a joke either. I can remember the shop and the place it was in to this day.

oliversmum
I think they are all too young to remember the 70s but lots of the population - dare I say not the starry-eyed young labour supporters - remember the time well enough to distrust socialism under any guise.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/14/dennis-skinne-bbc-rant-jeremy-corbyn-_n_8133390.html

love skinner

mollie curious as to why you think JC supporters are all young? I'm a 50-something JC agnostic (I like some things about him, but I'm more of a green these days) - but I know plenty of people who voted for him who are not "young" even if you take the broadest possible definition of the word . In contrast I have a sneaking suspicion that you have no personal memories of the 70s or even 80s ;)