Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader - Part 2

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Just opening the continuation of the last thread...

I am a 37 year old nurse manager. Nothing young about me.

Many people I know who seem stimulated by politics and JC are 30-60 years old.

I have to say that I think I admire him most because he clearly irritates to Tories.

*the tories

I am going to keep on saying this. I was there in the 70s, and my experience was far from the horrors outlined by others on here my age. In a way it's daft argument anyway as electing Corbyn as PM with Dennis Skinner as chancellor wouldn't recreate the 70s, but don't believe the hype about how bad it was - recollections are assd on people's views and other stuff and aren't the same for everyone. I don't remember anyone having to rely on food banks in the 70s, just to take one random example.

The seventies were good in many respects but admit it the Marxist-Lenninists were very annoying.

Maybe the Twenty teens is where the left gets rehabilitated - Capitalism is no longer delivering for a sizeable chunk of the population.

I'm 45 - also old enough to remember the 70s and I voted for him

The press will turn on him because of his arrogant, dismissive and short-tempered attitude towards them.

He's very short-sighted.

He is making a very good speech at the TUC. It is excellent. The media have been trying to downhearten everyone by portraying him as a no-hoper. He is totally different to all of the previous Labour lot. He is taking the fight to the Tories, he is not their mate, he is standing up for unions, no ifs or buts. It is a refreshing change to see someone with conviction.

His speech making is excellent. It is real, genuine, no pregnant pauses, no Blairite hand gestures, no rehearsed spin, just real. Totally different to what we have seen from the Labour elite.

I think it is disgraceful that the media has been allowed to set the agenda re:Corbyn. I don't think I'd vote for him myself but it is ridiculous that an Australian billionaire who owns a paper can influence how people should vote.

Sky are knocking his speech because it is not a big theatrical presentation, but that is why it is good, because it is real not spin-generated.

The media are doing everything they can do to destroy the reputation of Corbyn! Let us not be stupid and fall into that trap - we are smarter!

Sky are excelling themselves in doing a hatchet job on his speech and his late arrival on the podium. I think the entire media will do a coordinated attack on him like this in order to try and save the Establishment.

He read a bit too much of the speech out.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/watch-live-jeremy-corbyn-attacks-6447026

The Tories were elected because most people want the country to try better to live within its means. Labour before (who did not get in) proposed some but not enough cuts. Corbyn thankfully wants just about none so will not get elected. I hope he keeps it up. The Tories are laughing in glee actually. He is probably the best thing to have happened for the Tory party in a long while.

It's a fucking disaster for labour and the country as he wont win the election

Think that some in my Labour Party are only interested in annoying the Tories and re creating their student demo days than actually achieving real change through power.

Michael foot all over again.

Yes I remember the 70s very well and of course people relied on family/social services for help with food/bills/rent. There weren't good banks as such but you got handouts from the local charity.

My parents did.

Just despair.

I actually thought his speech at the TUC today was very poorly delivered and poorly prepared.

It was read out, far too fast, and phrases were stumbled over. It didn't make much of an impact, orally.

There is a reason why political leaders get communication and media training.

Someone close to him needs to knock some sense into him. He needs to do interviews, to mitigate the effects of his crazy backbench meanderings. He needs media training to come across better. He needs a proper press strategy to maximise good press in the Guardian & Mirror - who should be the two papers you can rely on. He needs a strategy to win over DM readers (I know MN thinks the DM is the devil but you can't win without some of them voting for you).

If he's going to be leader - and god knows, I'm not happy about it - he can at least, you know, ACTUALLY LEAD.

I am in Scotland. Pity the Scottish Labour MPs didn't survive the General Election. A fair number of the 40+ of them had views and voting records similar to JC and PLP would not look so out of step with the mood on the ground if they were still there. Don't remember much loyalty to Ed Milliband before, during or after the election despite his attempts to appease the Blairites so I reckon a new approach is necessary.

No point talking to the media if they are rubbishing everything you say.

And if his TUC speech were a barnstormer the accusation would be that he was only representing the unions. And if it were slick he would be accused of champagne elite media socialism. And if he compromises he is a hypocrite. And if he sticks to his principles .....

Someone close to him needs to knock some sense into him. He needs to do interviews, to mitigate the effects of his crazy backbench meanderings. He needs media training to come across better. He needs a proper press strategy

I agree with this. Hopefully people are already doing this or are they all letting him sink ?

No point talking to the media if they are rubbishing everything you say.

I think every politician in the history of democracy has found that , actually, there is a lot of point in talking to the media. To not do so is suicide.

It's making him look arrogant, short-tempered and dismissive. Which makes me think he actually is.

It's a fucking disaster for labour and the country as he wont win the election

But what is the point of winning an election by trying to be as similar as possible to the party on power?

He might win - you never know. After the Scottish referendum politics across the UK is really changing. People are actually getting involved and passionate about politics. I'm sure Corbyn won't win many Tory voters over, but he's got a good chance with all the people who don't usually vote. Will be interesting to see the turnout in the next GE...

Why the rush? Genuine question, from someone who is genuinely on the fence about him.

There was only one election on the cards in 2015 and he just won it - with a majority that most politicians can only dream of. The Labour Party now has twice as many full members as the Conservatives, and 30,000 have joined since the weekend. Whether that means anything in the long run - whether the momentum can be maintained - it is too early to say.

I think the press has behaved so abominably that I don't believe a press strategy would have made any difference at this stage.

Itsall - Ed M was very different from DC!!! On Zero hour contracts, on not selling off Housing Association homes, on Energy pricing caps, on rental control...

Misti - Corbyn hasn't even tried to get his message across to the non Labour membership - how are they going to know what he stands for? Most people don't follow politics that closely, if at all. Headlines are what they make their minds up on.

Itsall - Ed M was very different from DC!!! On Zero hour contracts, on not selling off Housing Association homes, on Energy pricing caps, on rental control...

But he wasn't popular with the voters... Jeremy Corbyn is...

I don't think JC looks arrogant, short-tempered and dismissive at all. He's very polite and mild mannered in my opinion. I think he's a breath of fresh air. None of the other three had anything going for them. I'm glad he's been made leader and willing to give him a chance to see what his policies are. Until he came along I was sick and tired of the suited, smooth operators with their insincere hand signs and body language.

The DM and others have slagged him off relentlessly but I've noticed that a lot of the negative comments are getting a lot of red arrows, which is heartening.

That journalist with Dennis Skinner was not making a joke and I'm glad he put her in her place about it.

Whether JC will last until there is another election I don't know but the public have spoken - they were sick of the same old same old Labour leader. I hope by 2020 everyone is so sick of the conservatives they'll be out. I think JC might carry it for a couple of years but someone else will take over.

Alyosha do you genuinely believe that a new leader should impose the policies and the message within 48 hours of taking office?

As I said in my previous post, whatever happened to weighing up the evidence, consulting, taking a reasoned decision?

There are strands of policy that can be agreed on at an early stage - it's plain that the new labour leadership will be against the welfare reform and trade union bills - but there are other issues (like their EU stance) where it's plainly not reasonable to take a policy stance at this stage. The Tories don't have a clear position on Europe either, and everyone seems to have forgotten about the other hot potatoes that Dave has already been forced to drop, like the human rights act. So much for clear policies!