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Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

999 replies

InTheBox · 12/09/2015 11:46

With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

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evilcherub · 12/09/2015 13:36

I am not a Labour voter but I don't understand why people think that Labour are unelectable with him in charge. Labour lost by 2 million votes under Miliband. Miliband did not seem to inspire the same kind of passion that Corbyn does. I also think that Labour needed to differentitate from the Tories as nuLabour wasn't really much different from Tories. Corbyn has achieved this. He seems like he has a lot of integrity and is not a career politician in the sense he will say or do anything to keep votes. He has a track record of voting for what he believes in rather than towing hte party line. Presumably a lot of UKIP members who left Labour will return because Corbyn is much more pro-working class and understands how privatisation has ruined a lot of industries and livelihoods, especially in the North. He is also apparently in favour of leaving the EU. A lot of the votes that went to the Greens will flood back to Labour and I don't see too many Labour supports stopping voting for Labour because of Corbyn. So in order to lose big time he would need to lose even more Labour supporters than Miliband or the Tories would need to gain more.

KeyserSophie · 12/09/2015 13:37

re women, labour risk being 2-0 down to the Eton toffs if Theresa May gets the leadership. They need to pull their finger out on that big time.

RomiiRoo · 12/09/2015 13:37

That is before you get to the foreign policy stuff, as others have mentioned!
I can't stand him, if I am honest, sorry, he makes me switch off completely.

Iqueen · 12/09/2015 13:38

I voted for both Jeremy and Tom, with no second choices, and I haven't voted for years, after Tory Bliar showed his colours.

If nothing else, it shows that PR works, and can even produce a 'first past the post' win, as in Jeremy's win! Grin

Hopefully, Jeremy and Tom, will work out how to integrate the original Labour ideology with 21st century life, and apply this to modern policies.

The gap between rich and poor needs addressing and we need to build up our manufacturing industries - Germany is not wealthy because of Financial Services, and not everyone in th UK wants to sit in front of a computer screen all day.

IsabellaofFrance · 12/09/2015 13:39

The trouble is that JC stands for many of the things that Ed M hinted at in his election manifesto, but he really stands for them. If people couldn't stomach it in its weaker form, how are they going to convince people to vote for it?

KeyserSophie · 12/09/2015 13:40

evil that's where we disagree. I see a lot of middling labour voters going Tory. I think the next election might well be "Corbyn" vs "Don't care so long as it's not Corbyn". That's assuming he's still there because I imagine he'll be taken down long before 2020.

Shiningdew · 12/09/2015 13:42

Why do you think that Keyser?

He might win me back to Labour.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 12/09/2015 13:42

I'm a Labour voter and im thrilled to bits. I wouldn't even say I'm a left wing labour voter. I did once actually vote Tory (sorry). I do think he could lead Labour to a general election win. We need a leader who people believe. Someone who answers questions and isn't full of spin. Someone with principles and integrity.

All other politicians from all parties seem to be smarmy, slippery, untrustworthy bastards who would stab their own mother in order to win votes. People are sick of it.

DrDreReturns · 12/09/2015 13:43

It is a shame Labour have never had a female leader (discounting acting leaders). Even the Tories have managed that. It is bang out of order but he may get picked on because of his age like Ming Campbell was. It's not right but I can see it happening.

SheGotAllDaMoves · 12/09/2015 13:43

No isabella they won't.

Vague demands for fairness and democracy are good, but actual policies in black and white.

Will the UK vote for;

Abolition of the monarchy.
Exit from Europe.
Privatisation of many industries.
Increased immigration.

bodenbiscuit · 12/09/2015 13:43

I used to worry that if Labour moved back away from New Labour, they would not be seen as credible or centre enough any more. Even though I'm a true socialist I just want these psychopaths out. But as others have said, that wasn't working any more either.

But now I am thinking how great it is that JC has won as he appears to have real integrity and will therefore represent something I really believe in. I was so taken in by Tony Blair and all the lies (blame the fact that I was in my early 20s!) I will be very interested to see how this plays out and I will be watching with far more interest.

FishWithABicycle · 12/09/2015 13:44

I'm a floating voter - generally think they are all bastards but always voted for whoever seems least bastardy as I think it's really important to vote. JC is the first time I have believed in a politician for a long time but I didn't pay £3 to vote for him as I felt it was up to the labour party to decide their path, but they have got my vote now they have chosen him

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 12/09/2015 13:45

Keyser, I disagree. I would describe myself as a middling labour voter. I did vote labour at the last election but nearly voted lib dem. after I voted I was cross with myself and thought maybe I should have voted lib dem. the previous general election I voted Tory because I was so angry with Blair et al. Especially over the Iraq war.

If there was an election tomorrow I would now vote labour for sure. If one of the others had won the leadership contest then at an election tomorrow Id probably have voted Lib Dem.

robin4 · 12/09/2015 13:45

Every time I see JC speak he seems to speak honestly and says what he believes rather than what he thinks he should say. People respond to that. He also has said he will seek to debate and listen, can only be good.

TheSpectator · 12/09/2015 13:46

Ragged Two of my Tory friends are 'unapologetic vandals' who (very temporarily) joined labour to vote for Corbyn who will make labour unelectable in a GE. Job done Grin

GoldPlatedShitGibbon · 12/09/2015 13:46

It's a shame he's a vegetarian, otherwise we could see what he's like at eating a bacon sandwhich. Grin

Sadik · 12/09/2015 13:49

I think that with Corbyn it could go either way - I'd give it an 80% chance of him losing horribly, 20% chance of him transforming the political landscape and winning. Since all the other candidates looked utterly unelectable, I reckoned that was the best option.

Also, IMO it's all about shifting the Overton Window. It's a strategy the right have played for years - talk about wildly improbable policies, and then a still very right wing but not quite so extreme policy seems very moderate by comparison. Time to play it from the left, I think . . .

Should also say that from an economics POV (studied econ & worked as an economist for many years) I see no issue with JC's anti austerity policies, and indeed they're pretty much in line with what the IMF etc. are saying these days, he's really not extreme there.

KeyserSophie · 12/09/2015 13:49

shining But what did you vote in 2015? Presumably not Tory. labour needs to win votes from the Tories, especially with Scotland now basically out of the picture.

I'm actually fucking confused by people who voted Tory rather than Blair/Milliband, but who would vote for Corbyn. I mean, you realise it's a sliding scale,right?

Fantasyland · 12/09/2015 13:51

One thing I really like about Corbyn is you don't hear him going on about ' benefit scroungers stealing tax payers money, or people on benefits are ruining the country ' in every sentence like the Tories .

what he does say is he wants it to be a fairer Britain and its about helping people ( this does not mean giving free money away to everyone)

I am honestly happy that I think he will be a good leader promoting fairness and decency towards other people rather than the Tory attitude

evilcherub · 12/09/2015 13:52

Keyser. Why would Labour voters switch to the Tories? Presumably if they wanted all the ideals the Tories were offering they would have just voted Tory. And it is not like Miliband was so nuLabour that it wouldn't have mattered. I personally think Miliband was a really bad choice for Labour and that he didn't win because he has a lacklustre personality, he was unconvincing in his beliefs, he would not have made a stronge enough MP, he is extremely rich and he is Jewish. I think Corbyn represents a lot more what people who vote Labour expect it to mean. Sure there are some who will think it is too left wing but I don't know if they would switch to the Tories. I think they might go Lib Dem if it still exists.

beatofthedrum · 12/09/2015 13:52

I think it's really exciting. We in Scotland need a decent Labour Party so desperately. All the nationalism has gone crazy largely due to hate for the Tories. We need an energised Labour.

bodenbiscuit · 12/09/2015 13:52

It's not all about how right/left they are though - it really has to do with how engaging people find that person. And whether they believe in them. People just didn't believe in Ed Miliband. I've heard he is a really good person but people didn't see him as PM.

Sadik · 12/09/2015 13:53

"I'm actually fucking confused by people who voted Tory rather than Blair/Milliband . . you realise it's a sliding scale "

Not necessarily - it would be for me, but if you are concerned with competence rather than right/left, then you could easily feel that Milliband was a ditherer with no principles, whereas Corbyn is confident and will give a strong lead.

Shiningdew · 12/09/2015 13:55

I think I agree with Fantasyland.

I don't understand much of what happens too well - but Corbyn seems to be behind workers and ensuring things like fair pay and security matter to those who don't earn much as well as the middle classes.

KeyserSophie · 12/09/2015 13:55

I actually think he's a nice enough bloke (albeit a bit earnest and not someone I'd want to be stuck next to at dinner). I think he's a good person. I just don't see him as someone who can compromise to the extent required to get a Labour victory.