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Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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InTheBox · 12/09/2015 11:46

With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

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Jux · 13/09/2015 13:20

I'm a floating voter who used to work in Parliament, was constantly urged to join 'the Party' - whichever Party the speaker was part of. I resisted, and continue to do so, because I think I am probably apolitical.

Caroldecker, JC does not scare me.

I am in agreement with MrsDV's sentiments.

I want to hear someone say NO.
I want to hear someone say 'That is WRONG'
I want to hear someone challenge the demonisation of the poor and vulnerable not bloody join in just in case they scare someone off.

Welshwabbit · 13/09/2015 13:22

blacksunday, I may have missed it but I don't think anything in that article says Labour could have defeated the Bill by voting against it with the SNP. I have searched to see if any Tories rebelled but have found nothing to say they did, and without Tory rebels they couldn't have brought the bill down.

I agree that they were wrong to have abstained; I think it was an appalling call on Harriet Harman ' s part and I think it was a tactical error (as well as morally wrong) for Burnham and Cooper to abstain. But certainly Burnham and I think also Cooper say they would have acted differently had they been leader so I don't think your example proves your point in any respect.

Inkanta · 13/09/2015 13:22

This is going to be an interesting 5 years. I think we are blessed to have Corbyn in opposition for now, and I'm sure he'll be exhausted at the end of it, sticking to his principles as he does in such a non defended pure form.

The main thing for me is that he will make fundamental changes to the style of politics that people want to see and inspire politicians to work with integrity and take his lead.

kesstrel · 13/09/2015 13:23

'As Lenin said, "There are decades in which nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen.'

And that worked out really well, didn't it....

Micksy · 13/09/2015 13:24

What worked out really well? Human history? I don't think we'll ever be in a position to make that call.

Welshwabbit · 13/09/2015 13:39

Bit of a random aside but I will be interested to see how Sadiq Khan does in London. I voted for him because I like both his politics and his back story which I think will play well against Zac Goldsmith once people get to know him. Khan is my wing of the party really and I think he can win in London but he really needs to up his profile. He is exactly the kind of guy who should be in politics.

claig · 13/09/2015 13:43

'Corbyn offers the disenfranchised hope. That is why the establishment fear him. They wouldn't have given a shit if a Blairite clone had been elected.'

Absolutely. They wanted the metropolitan luvvies to win. They hyped them and interviewed them on TV etc. They don't want a real left wing because it will take a scythe to their tax cons and taxfree charidee perks etc.

JanetBlyton · 13/09/2015 13:49

Khan? You want more male lawyers in Parliament like Khan, along with private educated white male Corbyns?

claig · 13/09/2015 13:49

Corbyn can win the election if he is brave and spells out before the election exactly what tax rises he will make - no hiding, no fear, no being scared about revealing them. As long as he doesn't tax the middle class, he will win. The Tories won't be able to fearmonger about tax rises if he spells it all out before the election.

They should run adverts saying this is how much extra tax Blair will pay, Cameron will pay, the Murdochs will pay, Starbucks will pay, the bankers will pay etc and then they should say this is how much extra tax you will pay - 0%. Then it will all be over and COrbyn will win.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 13:53

The "establishment" don't care what his policies are, when they don't think he'll get elected.

I like Tim Bale's definitions that political parties basically have to choose between "preference shaping" (the heroic assumption that you can get voters to see things your way) and "preference accommodation" (the assumption that you need to meet them halfway)

Welshwabbit · 13/09/2015 13:56

Janet, I am a lawyer so don't object to them! Sadiq Khan ' s father was a bus driver and he's lived in his constituency all his life. He worked hard to become a lawyer and quickly built up a reputation in the not particularly remunerative area of actions against the police. Yes I do want more people like him in parliament. And I have no objection to having Corbyn in parliament either (incidentally, his secondary education was not private, although it was certainly rareified). I just don't want him as my leader.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 13:58

He only has support of about 20 Labour MPs. The rest are shitting themselves about losing their MP perks after a Tory landslide.
They are the Labour establishment though, not the real ones who own most of the country.
Some former shadow cabinet members are already briefing the media against him.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/09/2015 13:58

For the last 30 years having the gutter press on your side was enough to win. Smear your opponents in shit and you shall win. Too many people believe whatever is fed to them by the press.

claig · 13/09/2015 13:59

I heard Tim Bale on the World At One just now. I think he is wrong, he is basing his predictions on what happened in the past without really understanding why it happened. He is projecting from past data, but we are in a new world where a 100-1 outsider has just humilaited the entire Labour political Establishment and caused more Oxbridge Shadow Cabinet resignations in one day than ever before in British parliamentary history. Blairism is finished, it is on its knees, it needs a "heart transplant".

PacificDogwood · 13/09/2015 14:02

I cannot even explain to myself why I am just so pleased that JC got elected leader AND with such a clear majority, but I think it must have to do with all the reasons MrsDV quoted: finally somebody who has an opinion, is not afraid to state it and seems to have some human decency, rather than just a good PR machine.

I do so hope that he shakes things up and maybe, maybe he'll start a new trend of politicians who are prepared to take a stand.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 14:02

Claig The middle classes would have to accept tax rises.
No government here or abroad has succeeded against the super rich and multinational companies, who easily avoid tax. The governments of the world would have to unite to do this and that won't happen.

LuluJakey1 · 13/09/2015 14:05

I am sick of hearing about the ones who have stood down and said they will not stay in the Shadow Cabinet.

They were not electable at the General Election. Labout took a hammering with Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall, Chuka Umunna, Tristan Hunt. No one knows who the others are.

Cooper, Burnham and Kendall could not get the votes between them in the leadership election that Jetemy Corbyn got. They could not convince people in any number to vote for any of them, either as a Shadow Cabinet or as candidates for the Leadership.

Liz Kendall managed to persuade 4 in every 100 Labour Party members to vote for her. No one believes in her.

BUrnham and Cooper did not do much better.

Chukka Umunna bottled it at the first hurdle and withdrew a day after he put his name forward because he could not take the scrutiny.

Tristan Hunt is a Tory masquerading as a socialist. He is all words and mainly weak words at that. He had to withdraw from the contest in the early stages because he was even less popular than Liz Kendall.

How we'll manage without Jamie Reed I have no idea Shock perfectly well as no one I know can tell me anything about him and we all vote Labour

They need to get over themselves. No one was convinced by them, no one wanted them. We should not be thinking agout them and their views- people don't want to hear them.

claig · 13/09/2015 14:05

'Claig The middle classes would have to accept tax rises.
No government here or abroad has succeeded against the super rich and multinational companies, who easily avoid tax.'

Ken Livingstone said they won't tax the middle class. The reason the Establishment are so frightened of Corbyn is because they know he is not messing about, he is not Oxbridge, he is not one of them, he won't do what they tell him and he will succeed against the super rich by changing the law and by enforcing it. It is a whole new world and they don't like it.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 14:07

The shadow cabinet resignations show he has almost no support in the PLP.
He has to keep looking over his shoulder, instead of concentrating on facing Cameron.
Difficult for him to mount an effective parliamentary opposition with sharp stabbing pains in his back.

Defeating a wing of your own party is not the same as defeating the Tories.

claig · 13/09/2015 14:08

'How we'll manage without Jamie Reed I have no idea shock perfectly well as no one I know can tell me anything about him and we all vote Labour'

I follow politics, but I had never heard of him. I thought they were talking about an R&B singer when they mentioned his name.

JeremyCorbynsStylist · 13/09/2015 14:09

Agree Lulu.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 13/09/2015 14:10

The middle classes would have to accept tax rises.

Lets not confuse the middle classes with the super rich. Neo liberalism fragmented the working classes and in recent years has feasted its eyes on the middle classes.

The middle classes see their children saddled with uni debt and unable to buy a house. These were people who by and large were Tory voters, strivers, people "getting on". There lot has got worse. The Tories only represent the super rich.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 14:12

He can change UK law all he wants. No country has much effect on the super rich and multinational companies.
Little Englanders have liitle influence outside the UK

BigChocFrenzy · 13/09/2015 14:13

The super rich avoid tax; the middle classes pay it or emigrate

Inkanta · 13/09/2015 14:13

'I cannot even explain to myself why I am just so pleased that JC got elected leader'

Pacific - me too but I feel uplifted and have a warm heart. Smile