Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

You are right totally in your points. However that neither here or there when it comes to being electable.

The press are instrumental and powerful that's why Tony got them onside. He was a bloody good operator and very savvy.

He won elections and had a massive school building programme and invested in the NHS.

To be sucessful a leader needs to be a two faced ruthless bastard who can hunt with the hare and run with the hounds. And convince an electorate they are the best candidate.

Corbin won't do that.

Are you saying then that none of the other candidates weren't decent people or had good values?

Of course they were and they had a chance of beating Cameron or I suppose Osborne at the next election.

You know Corbyn won't.

That's why it's shameful.

You have voted for the person who will let the Tories back in.

Agree, BigChocFrenzy. I am all for increasing income tax and I completely disagree with the Tory position on IHT, particularly in the context of the cuts to tax credits. But there is a massive hole in J'S financial plans, which seem to depend primarily on collecting taxes from large corporate entities that no-one else has ever been able to collect. Because no-one else has ever thought of trying to clamp down on tax evasion/avoidance . He has said that People's QEB was only intended as an emergency measure in the case of another recession, and he has no explanation as to where the rest of the finding will come from. He's not alone in this (remember the £8 billion the Tories suddenly said they were going to put into the NHS) but I don't think anyone seriously believed the Tories whereas people seem to think Corbyn ' s plans are achievable and I genuinely don't understand why.

Well - I thought it was interesting - was quite pleased we really needed a political shake up - actually wondered if it would lead to a split of the Labour party - if a year or so down the line the centre thought the party was unelectable with JC as leader...

However I have just seen the headline on the Sunday Post ...now I am absolutely gutted
Seems Nicola is using it to her advantage...
www.sundaypost.com/sturgeon-to-lay-out-timetable-for-independence-re-run-1.899855
So now I am absolutely gutted - I can't face that again -all the division and bad feeling
Although on reflection actually I suspect a victory for another candidate would have produced another excuse...

*people's QE
*funding

So gutted (I really am) I said it twice

Ghost as a district nurse in a very poor part of birmingham I regularly visited pensioners who were terrified of turning up the heating. I need no lectures from you thanks.

I voted for Yvette cooper. At least I can feel my conscience is clear as she at least was a credible and gutsy woman.

Corbyn will not and cannot hope to stand against Cameron/Osborne he will crash and burn and that's bloody obvious.

If a week is a long time in politics, half a decade is an eternity. Nobody knows what the political landscape will be in 2020. In 1987 would anyone have predicted Thatcher would be outed by her own party just a few years later?

The other Labour candidates were Blairites. New Labour has been overwhelmingly rejected by the Labour membership. They want a leader who will challenge the Tories ideological assumptions.

I think many voted for the person that will have a bloody good attempt at limiting the damage the Tories will do to the country for the rest of their term.

I think that is the most pressing and urgent action needed by Labour supporters.

I think that is what the Tories are really worried about, not the whole PM thing.

Still, I think he is a viable PM. I think it is unlikely he will have the energy left to stand though, if he does his job well until then.

Ghost as a district nurse in a very poor part of birmingham I regularly visited pensioners who were terrified of turning up the heating. I need no lectures from you thanks.

Any ideas how the continuation of disaster capitalism will help these people? Or those saddled with student debt, on zero hours contracts or priced out of the "home owning democracy?"

I think many voted for the person that will have a bloody good attempt at limiting the damage the Tories will do to the country for the rest of their term.

I think that is the most pressing and urgent action needed by Labour supporters.

I think that is what the Tories are really worried about, not the whole PM thing

Absolutely, for five years we have had nodding dogs in opposition.

Hellocampers
"Are you saying then that none of the other candidates weren't decent people or had good values?"

You do know that this is a discussion about politicians? Most of them have shown that they aren't decent people that have good values.

Well, if Labour continue to bump along at a much lower poll rating than at the GE, then Scotland may vote for independence rather than another 10 years or more of the Tories. Remember: boundary changes raise the hurdle for Labour by about another 24 seats.

Most interesting analysis of seat balance / bias and the effect on GEs in the independent Constitution Unit

NS is a damn clever politician and runs rings around all the Westminster lot (I don't mean she is necessarily brilliant at running Scotland, just at politics)

Labour are currently running at 20% in Scitland, compared to SNP 55%

unlucky I think it is awful that Nicola is being so nasty, given that the Corbyn stuff will help her get the type of policies her party want. Shows she is more about having power than policies doesn't it?

Can't blame her though. The reason for the huge labour swing in her favour has just evaporated. It never was about Independence as we saw from the referendum.

QueenStarlight, I don't really see how he's going to limit the damage the Tories are going to do. They have a majority and the Tories I know (and I know quite a lot) are either pleased about the lack of a credible opposition, or (in the case of the ones who could be called "one nation" or what used to be the Wets), concerned that there will be no credible alternative to curb Osborne ' s wilder excesses. Plus they now feel they don't have to worry about winning the next election. Frankly I don't see how that's going to help anyone, which is why this makes me so sad. I really think we are just navel gazing and I feel totally powerless to do anything about it.

There was a BIG difference between Blair's 3 governments and any Tory government, but the fury over Iraq has blinded so many people to demonise their own past governments.

The difference between trying to help the most at need - maybe not as in our fondest dreams - as distinct from focusing on lower taxes and to hell with anyone going hungry and cold.

Welsh-

Actually, if Labour and the SNP vote together, they could defeat the Tory psychopaths on a number of issues, though granted not all.

For example, if Labour weren't spineless Tory lackeys and the SNP voted together with discipline, they could have defeated the Welfare Reform Bill (Cuts to social security spending by £12 Billion) which recently passed in Parliament.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welfare-cuts-vote-welfare-bill-that-will-cut-welfare-spending-by-12bn-passed-in-parliament-with-a-majority-of-184-despite-large-labour-revolt-10403340.html

In 2015, Labour had 9.5 million votes - only 5% of them were voters in the leadership election, only 2.5% of them voted for JC.
I am missing the 'huge' majority and 'massive' swing in the electorate.
95% of Labour voters could not be arsed to pay £3 to choose their leader.
The vast majority of the country are apolitical and JC will scare the floating voters.

The Tories have a majority and can only be defeated when some Tories abstain or vote against.
Tories love voting for tax cuts and welfare cuts, so that's not an area where I have much hope.

2 kids with student debt.ghosty

Labour had the chance to be electable. Now they don't.

The vast majority of the country are apolitical and JC will scare the floating voters.

And apathy leads to the abyss. Just look at the last 30 years. Corbyn offers the disenfranchised hope. That is why the establishment fear him. They wouldn't have given a shit if a Blairite clone had been elected.

2 kids with student debt.ghosty

If you're happy with that more fool you.