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Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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InTheBox · 12/09/2015 11:46

With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

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EddieStobbart · 12/09/2015 21:06

Yeah, privatisation has really proved state-run railway lines are terrible Hmm www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/majority-uk-train-operators-owned-1989457

autumnintheair · 12/09/2015 21:06

Claig he himself went to a grammar ( I'm alright Jack) and he wanted his son to attend the local three years in a row, failing one, when his son had won a place at Grammar. His wife couldn't allow his to ruin their sons education and it added to their grounds for divorce.

Nothing to spin.

In some respects after embarrassing Dionne Abboot debacle I admire him, but on the other hand I think its also reprehensible out of his duty as a father to his son.

CherryPicking · 12/09/2015 21:08

Ideals are things to aim at - if you don't have any, you're basically directionless - why would anyone think being directionless is a good thing?!

I've no intention of joining Labour, but I'm thrilled Jeremy is leader.

And all those resignations? To paraphrase the Stone Roses "bye bye Blairites, bye bye" In fact that song is about revolution, so pretty apt.

autumnintheair · 12/09/2015 21:09

squoosh

Big ish factor according to her, she says an important role her sons education was her no 1 priorty if he was like this on this issue goodness knows what like in general

'My children's education is my absolute priority, and this situation left me with no alternative but to accept a place at Queen Elizabeth boys' school. The decision was made by myself alone and without the consent of my husband,' she said.

'The difficulties of making decisions under these circumstances have played an important role in bringing about a regrettable marital break-up.'

BettyTurpinsHotpot · 12/09/2015 21:11

The German state does manage things rather better it's true but then they have had cooperative trades unions on their side.

squoosh · 12/09/2015 21:13

Well it's either stick to his principles and alienate some or compromise his principles and come in for a thwacking a la Diane Abbot.

Welshwabbit · 12/09/2015 21:13

The point I was making was not about the reasons for the split, more that the son then went to live with the mother and went to QEB anyway. So Corbyn didn't actually achieve the outcome he wanted for his son but is able to say well, it isn't my fault he went to a grammar, I said no and split up with my wife but she sent him anyway. Which is pretty reminiscent of his whole parliamentary career. Makes a great rebellious backbencher - do what you like with no need to take responsibility for any governmental decisions - but a rubbish leader.

squoosh · 12/09/2015 21:15

I did feel a bit sorry for Andy Burnham today, he looked completely dazed and discombobulated in a 'what the hell just happened' kind of way.

Welshwabbit · 12/09/2015 21:16

Autumnintheair- yes, he went to a boarding boys' grammar (you can also go as a day boy) - I know this because a friend mine also went there. Not sure how much choice he would have had in that though.

CherryPicking · 12/09/2015 21:16

The thing is, autumn, I don't think he failed his son at all by wanting him to go to the local comp. He understands that if all middle people send their kids to grammar schools, things are only going to get worse for bog standard comps - which nowadays means academy status or closure. I'm sure he knew his son would do well wherever he went - how could any child of his do otherwise?! And I speak as a Green who has no intention of jumping ship.

Welshwabbit · 12/09/2015 21:17

A friend of mine, sorry.

CherryPicking · 12/09/2015 21:17

middle class

autumnintheair · 12/09/2015 21:18

I was just clarifying that there was no spin and it played an important role in their marriage break up.

Not sure which person I would trust more, the one who put their child first or their principles.

claig · 12/09/2015 21:20

'The point I was making was not about the reasons for the split, more that the son then went to live with the mother and went to QEB anyway. '

Yes, I see your point. But, supposing it is true (which I have my doubts about) it shows that he has principles that he believes in. The public doesn't agree with all of his principles, but the public doesn't care, because the public is crying out for someone who has principles as opposed to these shifty, slimy, sleazy unprincipled lying spinning politicians we are all so used to seeing. That is why people like Corbyn. He is different to the rest and nothing Blair, Brown or Kinnock say can stop the people preferring Corbyn to them.

autumnintheair · 12/09/2015 21:20

cherry his own wife felt he was failing them by not allowing his son access to the best education he had opportunity for.

His wife didn't share your views did she? She surely had better knowledge of the said schools at that precise time and her sons abilities, and personality than YOU or I.

The school had been failing for three years.

BettyTurpinsHotpot · 12/09/2015 21:21

Cherry that's a naive viewpoint imo. To subject a kid to a school where he doesn't fit in is not a kind thing in a parent - in my rough school it was the vicar's son and I thought his parents were well cruel!

GreyBird84 · 12/09/2015 21:21

He's an IRA loving scumbag.

BettyTurpinsHotpot · 12/09/2015 21:22

The child comes first.

autumnintheair · 12/09/2015 21:22

She has been directly quoted in that article.

because the public is crying out for someone who has principles as opposed to these shifty, slimy, sleazy unprincipled lying spinning politicians we are all so used to seeing

I agree with you there but one cant pretend all bad press about him is going to be lies or spin.

Welshwabbit · 12/09/2015 21:23

Claig, the analyses I have seen suggest that the UKIP votes would not be enough - it is all about the distribution. Labour lost lots of votes to UKIP in their safe seats - winning those back would not change the outcome under FPTP. And whilst Ken won in London (I like Ken and voted for him btw - and was outraged when he was excluded from being the Labour candidate the first time round, much as I was outraged by the ridiculous purge of high profile lefties in this election) I think that was about his track record with the GLA and his charisma. In my view JC has neither, although I appreciate that others may disagree!

BettyTurpinsHotpot · 12/09/2015 21:26

Didn't Bernie Grant say his biggest regret was sending his child to the local ILEA school for reasons of political solidarity?

That's also why I'd never knock Diane Abbot for her family's choices.

claig · 12/09/2015 21:31

' I think that was about his track record with the GLA and his charisma. In my view JC has neither, although I appreciate that others may disagree!'

Yes, Ken has more charisma. But Corbyn has something more exceptional, he has a selfless quality of integrity that is unparalleled and is much more admirable than charisma. It is pure fate that the Labour left wing group chose Corbyn to stand and pure luck that he got 35 MPs to back him at the last minute and it is fate that he will win for Labour because the whole country is crying out for integrity (even if it disagrees with many of his policies). Everyone can see that Corbyn is in it for the people and the party, not himself. That can't be said about any other politician. That is what is so remarkable and that is why people will back Corbyn (including middle class Tories) because it is obvious that Corbyn backs the people.

MajesticWhine · 12/09/2015 21:36

Welshwabbit I completely agree with you. JC doesn't have the qualities of a leader. To be a leader you need to take people with you and find a way that works for everyone, not just your own conscience, there is a need to be more flexible and you can't just live rigidly by your own principles. JC may be very attractive to many for all his lovely talk but he has not taken responsibility of any kind in the past, no reason to believe he will start doing it now.

claig · 12/09/2015 21:36

Yo show the mark of the man, just after winning the Labour leadership election, he immediately went and joined the rally in London about refugees. Where were the other Labour bigwigs? Did they have more important things to do with their time? And when Corbyn spoke at that rally, he used the term people (and that included him) and he said "we must challenge the government to do the right thing". Corbyn is not one of them, he is one of us, one of the people, in the thick of teh rally, shoulder to shoulder with ordinary people who need help. That is why he will win, because millions of people need help and he is the one who can deliver it.

Welshwabbit · 12/09/2015 21:37

Maybe you'll be proved right, Claig, but I remain unconvinced. It's easy to have principles and integrity when you don't have to persuade anyone who doesn't agree with you.