to love the back to school rule flouter photos?

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They are brilliant.

Happens every single year. I love the claims that their human rights are being violated - go and tell that to the Syrians!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224954/School-sent-13-year-old-girl-home-leopard-print-hair-cut.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219558/Furious-parents-blast-petty-headmaster-FIFTY-children-sent-home-day-school-wearing-wrong-kind-shoes.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-29911712

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222494/Dozens-pupils-sent-home-school-day-term-breaching-new-uniform-rules-including-wearing-wrong-PE-socks.html

Spartans Thu 10-Sep-15 09:15:49

It took us complaining to decide to bring it in Monday and leave it there and take home on Friday, so they could have it whenever they wanted. Really infuriating. < < <

Our DCs' primary has always encouraged the children to bring in their PE kit at the beginning of each half term and leave it in school until the next holiday, when they take it home for washing. So much easier. :-)

Some parents do choose to send it in each PE day, but they're in the minority.

UNIFORM RULES ARE SET BY GOVERNORS, not schools, WE HAVE TO DO AS THE GOVERNORS TELL US

sigh

I was trying to work tonight with a year 11 who has had time off after losing her mum unexpectedly but still wants to do well. I was called away from her at one point because a parent was incandescent that her daughter wasn't allowed a facial piercing.

My patience has worn very, very thin.

You get a free education, something half the world would risk their lives for. Grow the fuck up.

Blimey, it was just a bit of a natter! Not quite sure who that was aimed at but sorry you've had a bad day. Had one of those years myself. Really hoping things pick up soon.

It's not free knitknack. We pay through taxes. I appreciate you have a whole range of issues to deal with as a teacher and some of them will be more trivial than others. But if your attitude to parents is that they are getting some kind of gift from the school it's not surprising relationships are sometimes fraught.

"UNIFORM RULES ARE SET BY GOVERNORS, not schools"

No they aren't

Sorry for shouting, but I used to be a governor and we had no say in the uniform rules. The headteacher and SLT set the rules.

Governors are responsible for the strategic direction of a school not operational and uniform does not count as strategic, or it didn't at the school I was at.

boomboom not everyone pays taxes you know. So some people are getting a free education.

What so poor people are just supposed to be grateful that their children are being educated and put up and shut up?

Also what about transaction taxes like VAT? Don't all people pay those?

Our DCs' primary has always encouraged the children to bring in their PE kit at the beginning of each half term and leave it in school until the next holiday, when they take it home for washing. So much easier. :-)

muddling couldn't agree more. What's more annoying is that ds has just started the same primary and we have been through the whole thing again this week. Yesterday his teacher decided that yes it would be better if we just left them there until half term. After several parents, again, pointed out it would be easier. This is their first full week back and PE was moved twice. Meaning parents were bringing them in and taking them home pointlessly.

00100001 there is a lot more to taxation than PAYE. It isn't possible to live in this country and not pay tax.

Skirt length is similarly important - too short and it can be a distraction

Shouldn't we be teaching men and boys that girl's legs are not there to titillate them, instead of teaching girl's to manage their own behaviour and dress in order to not distract the poor, vulnerable men folk who can't help but stare when they should be studying?

No, we shouldn't teach men and boys that girls' legs aren't there to titillate them, they should know that already, having been taught it by strong parents/male and female role models at home. Unfortunately, all too often pupils don't have ideal home lives/role models...and no one is saying that males are poor and vulnerable, that's just your (wrong) interpretation. Let's just make school a place for learning, where ANY possible distractions are minimised and where the atmosphere is not sexualised, but one of male and female pupils co-operating. I happen to think that wearing decent, non-revealing clothing (by both sexes) helps this.

Completely agree with you later
My DH works at a secondary school-on the first day of term, 16 girls were told their skirts were too short. The Head teacher pointed out that it was actually a safeguarding issue and they need to be longer to protect the girl, and also to protect members of staff from being accused of peering up skirts. They're also strict about hairstyles, shoes and bags. If parents can't encourage their kids to stick to the rules, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get sent home from school.

Read this thread out of boredom and replying because I'm pregnant and full of hormones.

I taught in a city state school when in my 20s. I would have loved to color my hair bright red and wear my jeans. I didn't because it's against the rules. Do you really think teachers want to dress out of Marks and Spencer's?

The only time I raised my voice was to say 'quiet please, everybody listen' and most classes did.

However, there were occasions when I was genuinely scared. I asked one 16 boy to lift his head off the table so he could look at the board. He replied with 'what the fuck' and stood up as if to fight me, sending his chair flying across the room. His parents were contacted, but the response was that he's very tired. Also, try teaching someone who has taken heroin at lunch time. Those parents rarely responded to the school.

Every teacher has stories like these. We deal with this stuff every day, as well as ensuring your kids do their best in their exams and can go forward in their lives to be the best they can be.

Then I read that parents think we don't deserve to be respected.

Wear the uniform. Tell your kids to try hard. We will wear our uniform. We will try hard. We can respect each other.

Ihate at DD's school the girls are told not to wear short skirts, eyeliner and nail varnish. The resentment is caused because the headteacher does all of these and more - leopard print platforms anyone? Other teachers wear nail varnish as well.

If any of the students question this on social media they get put into isolation.

That poor leopard haired girl is going to be in for a shock if she wants to be an accountant or medic.
She would get away with it in academia though.
It is all very well but she will be wondering in later life if this was a battle was picking.
It seems her and her mother are missing the point. She needs to attend school, not get into silly rucks.
The number of battles fought over inconsequential rules are ridiculous. Thems the rules. Follow them.

Bunbaker - does your boss have priveledges that you don't? Maybe a parking space or access to company credit card?
Think of the head teacher as the schools boss. An adult, who can wear eyeliner!

Then I read that parents think we don't deserve to be respected

actually what I said was I don't think amy adult should ^automatically* be respected.

did i respect the teachers who's only method of communication was to bellow or shout? No.

did I respect the teacher who deliberately humiliated me in class? No

Did in respect teachers who I felt treated people unfairly?No

why the hell should these nasty people be respected?

did the fact I disliked and had no respect for these teachers mean I messed around and disrupted the class? of course not. because I knew how to behave and having sat in classes where people have been disruptive I know how bloody annoying that is.but they still did not have my respect and why should they.

the teachers i respected were the ones who didn't look or talk to you like you were something stuck to the bottom of their shoe. who you could actually approach to ask a question and receive help with your work. those teachers earnt the respect.

Maybe I'm oversensitive but I feel like all the school type threads are just an attack on teachers at the moment. You don't read many threads that say 'wow, my kids are loving the free lunch clubs at school, so happy they are being organized'
Or 'A teacher really helped my kids through this difficult time'

It's all, these bad teachers are disrespecting our kids! Excpecting us to PAY for music lessons! Asking us to wear UNIFORM! And their grammar - not nearly good enough to cut it (posted by someone making loads of grammatical errors)

We are clearly evil, trying to ruin you and your kids lives, and we should be stopped!

Think I'd better back off before I go into labour.

if your a good teacher you have nothing to worry about do you.

plenty of people have said lovely things about their kids teachers. but like I said before juts like people you get good ones and bad ones. people are allowed to share their bad experiences surely. same as they don't have to now down and say every Dr is god.

I've experienced good teachers and bad teachers. my good teachers are no less good because another teacher was bad.

I wasn't a trouble maker at school I wore uniform I did my homework etc. I also had to sit in lessons listening to the teacher next door scream at some child daring to ask a question.

or should we pretend these teachers don't ir didn't exist? Imo. that's part of the problem. that no one ever believes the child and these people are allowed to carry on acting the way they do.

it's not a personal attack on you and there are more issues than uniform.

'Petty' school uniform rules not only promotes rule-following, it gives teens a 'safe' way to rebel

igglepiggle there was a thread on MN recently about school gripes and I posted that I could not really think of any. I like my kids' schools and think they have mostly good or excellent teachers.

But I still find reports of teachers measuring girls' skirts thoroughly disturbing and borderline perverted. Because I'm anti-teacher, obviously ~rolls eyes~.

It is funny this type of nonsense never happens in grammar schools or in schools where parents have to 'jump through' hoops to attain a place for their children .

I work in a grammar school. We're fairly lax on uniform, though. The code specifies black socks, but in practice nobody actually bothers with this and we don't pull the pupils up on it. I am not going to begin my day inspecting my form's socks.

We also don't have anything logo'd, except for the school tie, and few non-clothing stipulations beyond "no piercings" and "no hair below the collar". The second-hand uniform sale is always well-supporter and very popular. In spite of this laissez-faire attitude and fairly loose uniform rules, our kids always look very well turned out.

No hair below the collar? Are girls with long hair required to put their hair in a bun?

Let's just make school a place for learning, where ANY possible distractions are minimised

How? By denying a child an education because of her haircut? Not because of her behaviour, or because she was bullying people, or because she was disrupting lessons, but because of her haircut?

Giving detentions because of skirt length is a distraction. Asking parents to fork out £75 a pop for an item of clothing that is non-waterproof, impractical and in many cases also non-washable, is a distraction. Suspending a child from school, or telling her that she has to work away from teacher supervision outside a classroom (and the pedagogic justification for that is, what, exactly?) is a distraction.

So, I agree, minimise distractions.

Ihateigglepiggle, how does wearing a uniform help with the situations you have described of smack-head aggressive pupils?

AndNowItsSeven, sorry, forgot to mention it's an all-boys school!