to love the back to school rule flouter photos?

[giraffesCantDoThat]

They are brilliant.

Happens every single year. I love the claims that their human rights are being violated - go and tell that to the Syrians!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224954/School-sent-13-year-old-girl-home-leopard-print-hair-cut.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219558/Furious-parents-blast-petty-headmaster-FIFTY-children-sent-home-day-school-wearing-wrong-kind-shoes.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-29911712

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222494/Dozens-pupils-sent-home-school-day-term-breaching-new-uniform-rules-including-wearing-wrong-PE-socks.html

[SenecaFalls]

does your boss have privileges that you don't?

Mine does, but she has to follow the same work dress code that I do and that her boss (who is the top position in the organization) does. And that all other employees do.

[laterthanuthink]

Professionals, in the main, do not wear revealing, inappropriate clothes to work, or hairstyles that attract unnecessary attention. They follow the rules and regulations. By enforcing similar rules and regulations, schools are helping to prepare children for adult life in the workplace. Quite simple, really! If children don't like the school rules, they should be taught to raise objections via the correct channels, such as the School Council. Parents with poor attitudes towards rules (whether you consider them petty or not) and authority are not helping their children, they are simply raising more unnecessarily rebellious pupils who make teaching and learning more difficult. We should be teaching children, "If you don't like the rules, strive to alter them in an appropriate and intelligent way, don't whinge or just flout them!"

[AndNowItsSeven]

That makes more sense FithColumnist

[longtimelurker101]

The teacher bashing here is unbelieveable.

The " teachers should earn respect thing" as I said before, all of us have degrees and post graduate qualifications and choose to work in a profession which has direct benefits for you as parents and as members of an economy/society, that deserves respect. We are in loco parentis for your children and ensure their safety and well being, that deserves respect.

Comparing kids who rebel against uniform to people who rebeled agains oppresive and unfair laws is so off the scale as an argument its unbelievable.

Kids in countries without uniforms have dress codes, I could go for that, but then you bunch of numpties would all be on here whining about that too.

Seriously mumsnet and its teacher bashing, gosh, do you say this stuff in front of your kids?

[Gileswithachainsaw]

What so a degree and a job mean your automatically not an arse and worthy of respect?

thats like sayjng someone with no qualifications who flips burgers isn't worthy of respect because they aren't going to turn the customers into worthwhile members of the community?

I've had some lovely teachers who I both liked and respected. and whi managed to reach and control the class without resorting to bullying the children.

we also had one teacher so known for being nasty that even when she died not one person could say anything nice about her. not even fellow teachers.

and befire you thing it was "just us and our disrepectgul nature" this reputation had followed her for many many years and even the "more respectful" generation still reader her lessons and disliked her immensely.

the deputy head at my school was the one who insisted in the sexist crap of no trousers. should she be repected whilst acting in a discriminatory way?

or perhaps I shouldnt have repected my maths teacher cos she was actually nice, and kind, and helpful, and would assist you when you needed help with the questions and simultaneously didn't give a crap what colour your hair was. she got on with teaching.

[cruikshank]

Kids in countries without uniforms have dress codes, I could go for that, but then you bunch of numpties would all be on here whining about that too.



I wouldn't whine about a dress code that involved pupils wearing practical, washable, waterproof, sensible clothes that are designed to work in the context of weather we have in this country (which our current uniform rules do not do) or that stipulated that pupils could not wear clothes or sport hairstyles that were offensive or broke the law (which this girl's hairstyle doesn't). Why do you think that others who, like me, say uniforms and hairstyle stipulations that mean children are prevented from accessing education would object to a loose, practical dress code? I'm all for it.

[cruikshank]

Sorry, that should say:

'say uniforms and hairstyle stipulations that mean children are prevented from accessing education are wrong ..

[Gileswithachainsaw]

yy cruik

most of the gripes re uniform I see on MN are the fact that the children can't remove their blazes.

that girls can't wear trousers.

that coats can't he worn even outside schopl and teachers pounce on kids not even on the premises and reprimand over a coat.

that sturdy ankle boots can't he worn. even when the school is rural kids walk miles through fiends or along foot paths not pavements to get there.

that kids are sent home even when it was the school who failed to provide the orders of uniform when promised.

or there's one length available to fit kids from 4ft to 6ft tall.

no one has asked if it's reasonable to sport swastikas shaved into heads.

they merely want their kids to stay warm and dry on the way to school and be allowed to wear a pair of trousers

why on earth is that numpties whining?

[Youarentkiddingme]

The boy in the last link with Velcro shoes and his haircut looked perfectly fine to me - and I'm a fan of uniform!

Also those lace up shoes that look like a less formal brogues style shoe are being sold left right and centre as a school shoe - maybe secondary schools need to target suppliers?

What happened to the rules re uniform mustn't be more expensive than alternatives? £17.50 for a school skirt it's ridiculous for children who are continuously growing still.

[Youarentkiddingme]

And you to asking about removing Blazers. I have not come across a line of work yet where you are expected to wear a polyester blazer in 25?? heat - and have to ask to remove a jacket in an office or walk around a employment site in rain without a coat.

There's rules and there's the ridiculous

[longtimelurker101]

When I taught in the states the dress codes did say things about hair cuts etc. Parents complained to high heaven, people just want everything their own way.

When I worked in the corporate world, dress codes said things about hair cuts, facial hair ( for example men had to grow beards on time off if they wanted one) formality of dress etc. Strangely enough most people complied and those that didn't comply got the sack.

I've already agreed up thread that uniform doesn't need to be enforced in such a draconian way as it has been in some places, but that in most places it actually does some good.

As stated previously, uniform for the moment is not going anywhere schools, the government etc all endorse it. Most teachers just do as they are told by SLT in enforcing it, the vast majority of us just get on with teaching. A dress code would be whinged about on here too, in fact schools and teachers appear to be the whipping posts of the website which saddens me greatly, and if that is what people think of the profession that I have given so much time and effort to I'm utterly speechless. The vitriol expressed by many posters is awful, I have tried to persuade myself that its just keyboard warriors, but actually I see it more and more in society too. Everything mutst go "my way" all the time, and if I don't like something it has to change and hang everyone elses opinion. Mumsnet is not a collective its a bunch of entitled idiots shouting at each other.


To which end, I'm done, with it all, I've been thinking about it for weeks. I used to like the debate, but no longer.

[Gileswithachainsaw]

Oh my dd will be removing her blazer wherever she goes!!!!

or said school will receive a monthly bill for her skin care products and fir the washing powder required to keep washing the bloody shirts sheets and duvets.

call me precious all you want

[TheMirrorOfErised]

I remember in my last year at school, the PE teacher gave detentions to 2 girls with belly button piercings who didn't take them out for the lesson. The same teacher had her own navel piercing poking through her vest top. One pupil respectfully challenged the double standards of health and safety, and joined the 2 girls in detention for doing so.

Same year, during outdoor PE, OFSTED were overseeing the lesson. PE teacher said we were all, herself included, running around the field to warm up. One pupil piped up, "You don't normally join in when we are doing PE miss, so if you are, don't forget to take your belly bar out"

I was a shit

[InimitableJeeves]

I will be questioning why it takes them two hours to pick fault and contact me with ds's shoes and five weeks for them to tell me they have had an email from the LEA telling them to tell me I need to get back in touch with CAMHS about my ds's AEN assessment.

This is exactly one of my main issues with this nonsense. In this case it appears that the school has spent several man hours inspecting the soles of children's shoes and then contacting parents to harangue them about it, yet they couldn't spent two minutes giving a parent vital information about an assessment for AEN, as a result of which that child is likely to have wasted five weeks wholly unnecessarily trying to work without the right support. That is an utterly fucked-up set of priorities.

[InimitableJeeves]

My DH works at a secondary school-on the first day of term, 16 girls were told their skirts were too short. The Head teacher pointed out that it was actually a safeguarding issue and they need to be longer to protect the girl, and also to protect members of staff from being accused of peering up skirts.

Headteacher sounds an idiot. Saying that this is a safeguarding issue is classic victim-blaming. If there is a child-abuser in the school, does anyone seriously believe he would be deterred simply by virtue of skirts being a couple of inches longer? And if a girl is disposed to make a false accusation, the fact that her skirt is a little longer won't stop her doing so. Take this argument to its logical conclusion and you'll be making all the girls were nuns' habits and veils.

[Youarentkiddingme]

It's amazing how girls skirts have to be longer due to health and safety yet when we had the heatwave and 35?? temperatures all schools around here told students to wear PE kits to school - which are short shorts!

[Mistigri]

Re respect - there is a difference between respecting a teacher, and respecting the status of a teacher. My children always behave with respect although they have (or have had) a small number of teachers who in their opinion did not deserve respect. I imagine they'd have very little time for a teacher who thought it appropriate to measure skirts or check socks or the soles od shoes. In fact I just asked my 14 year old DD what she would think if a teacher checked her skirt length, and she said "I'd think he was a paedophile" .

Re dress codes - codes in European schools at least tend to be fairly non-prescriptive. All the kids wear the same clothes anyway (I'd say that 90% plus of secondary school students turn up in jeans). Our local junior high has one rule pertaining to dress, and that is no short shorts. To my knowledge in the four years DD was there, a student was asked to get changed once. No teacher time at all is wasted on this.