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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask about nursery or childminder

172 replies

Shiningdew · 05/09/2015 20:40

I am looking round some next week and thought I'd throw it out there tonight - which do you use and why? :)

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Rainuntilseptember15 · 06/09/2015 13:12

I use a CM, never been ill and no holidays (term time only).

OwlinaTree · 06/09/2015 14:32

My son loves his nursery. They have a mix of age of staff, so I feel he gets different experiences. The leader of the baby room does seem to love him too!

I like the reliability of the nursery, friend had such a nightmare with her childminder being ill a lot. I also feel (possibly wrongly) that there is more accountability at a nursery and there are more adults around which makes it seem safer. Also, because he is with under 2s the toys and activities are suitable for that age. At a childminders there could be lots of older children, possibly lots of school runs and TV watching going on.

As pp have said though, look at what is out there and see what suits you.

Fluffy24 · 06/09/2015 15:07

Our baby room is up to 2 to, so at our nursery a 20 and 5 mo would be together for a few months, guessing this will be common?

alibubbles · 06/09/2015 15:20

Why do people assume there will be TV watching going on at a childminder' setting? I don't have one and never have.

There is however one on all day long in the local day nursery where you can see it from the road, when sitting in you car in the traffic!

Oysterbabe · 06/09/2015 15:24

It was the holidays thing that played a big part in my decision too.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 15:33

A baby room sounds nice; I would prefer them to be together if possible.

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nannynick · 06/09/2015 16:02

I have looked into nannies but I'm put off by the tax and the like

There are several nanny payroll companies who can take the hassle of doing payroll off your hands. Typical cost is around £200 per year, which may sound a lot but at under £20 a month it saves you having to spend time learning how to do payroll/PAYE and gives you access to advice line and legal support.

If having a nanny is something you want to consider, then best to post on the Childcare board, rather than in AIBU.

It's hard as I don't think i really want them to bond closely with one person.

You want your children to be happy and whatever childcare you choose they will be assigned a key worker. They will form a bond with that keyworker (and other staff if a nursery). In my experience (over 20 years working with children) every child knows the difference between Mum, Dad and Childminder/Nanny/Nursery Nurse. So please don't worry about them forming a bond with someone.

I do need complete reliability
Nothing is going to be completely reliable. Nurseries close, people are ill, travel difficulties, heating fails, all sorts of things happen. As a nanny I have not had time off for illness, in over 10 years. That does not mean I am 100% reliable, I could be ill tomorrow. With a nursery you do have more people around but you also have more children around, more viruses spreading around, so initially children often become ill. So whilst the nursery may be open, your children may not attend.

A benefit of childcare in your own home is that the nanny can care for mildly ill children, so a child with the sniffles or an eye or ear infection can still be cared for enabling you to go to work. Sure the child concerned may want you to stay at home but you could decide if that was really reasonable given their condition.

being harsh/draconian with the DDs, ignoring them - that sort of stuff.
Can happen in any childcare setting. I have seen adults being harsh with children in nursery. It may come down to experience of the workers, lack of close management, or just people's personalities. At least if using a childminder or nanny, you get to choose that person - you don't get to choose staff at a nursery.

thinking about it that it will have to be a nursery as I've absolutely no back up in the event of illness or holiday so nursery it is! 20 month old and 5 month old - would they be allowed to be together?

Depends on the nursery. Certainly over time they may split up and then come back together again.

Time - you are currently looking at what is best for Now, not what will still work in 5 years time. Is that something you should be considering? A childminder or nanny can care for your children for many years. I am currently in my 7th year with the family I nanny.

School may seem a long way off but it is probably only 3 years away, so when that happens your childcare needs change. A nursery would probably then not work unless it was very near the school and had a before/after school club.

Lots to look at and lots of pros and cons to each type of childcare. Only you can decide what is right for your family. It sounds like you are likely to be looking at Nursery initially, so go and have a look at a couple of local nurseries, see if they offer what you need now and find out what they could offer as your DDs get older.

LieselVonTwat · 06/09/2015 16:04

There's a baby room in ours also, but the eldest would go into the 2 year old room quite soon. I think most nurseries do segregate by age so they're unlikely to be in the same room very long. If that's a deal breaker, you may need a CM.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 16:06

Thanks. I've looked on the childcare board and I am drawn to a nanny but it's so costly and we're not in London and I just don't know if it's feasible financially.

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nannynick · 06/09/2015 17:38

A nanny is usually more costly than having two children with a childminder or in nursery. There are benefits however, such as you have a lot more control and you don't need to get the children up in the morning, as nanny comes to you. Location can make a difference though, as in some areas you will struggle to recruit a nanny but nannies do work around the UK, not just London/South East. So it can be worth trying, if financially viable.

A nanny is more viable the greater the number of children you have as unlike other forms of childcare, their salary is not based on the number of children.
For nannies, you decide on the salary to offer... often this can be in the £8-£14 per hour range, depending on location, persons experience & training, unsocial hours.

nannynick · 06/09/2015 17:45

NannyJob Job Search can be handy for looking at what salaries are being offered to nannies. It can be narrowed down by County. Alas not all jobs give a salary indication.

There are then various costs to the employer on top of the salary the main ones being:

  • Employers NI (a tax levied by Government)
  • Activities and Outings
  • Mileage payments (if nanny uses their own car to transport your children)
  • Nannies Lunch (it is common to provide lunch for your nanny, as they do not get any lunch break)
  • Payroll Admin (around £200 a year for a payroll company to do the payslips, tax calculations and remind you to pay HMRC)

You will also have to convert Net to Gross sometimes, as nannies can still talk in Net pay terms. Around 50% of nannies do now agree to a Gross salary, so it is slowly changing.

[http://calculators.costrak.com/net-to-gross-salary-calculator/ Net to Gross calculator]] for using as a guide only.
Gross to Net calculcator with Employers NI calculation.

nannynick · 06/09/2015 17:46

Net to Gross calculator for using as a guide only.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 18:01

Many thanks - although my head is actually hurting just looking at that!

If I could wave a magic wand I'd love a nanny but unfortunately I have no confidence in my ability to be able to do the necessary mathematical calculations so I'll have to rely on a nursery or childminder.

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LoadsaBlusher · 06/09/2015 18:18

Our nursery has baby room 0-2 then a 2-3 room then a 3-5 room.

Sometimes my 2DC end up in the same room at the end of the day as they condense the rooms up if there are only 4-5 children left .
I like this as it means when I pick them up at the end of the day , they have had their late snack together and are playing together when I collect .

ShadowLine · 06/09/2015 18:38

Our nursery has baby room up to 18 months or when confidently walking, toddler room 18 months - 3 yrs, pre-school room 3 - 5 years. They also have a breakfast and after school club for primary age children covering the nearest local schools - this is in the pre-school area. As with a pp, the rooms get condensed together towards the end of the day as the number of children in drops.

The out of school club was one of the positives for me when picking the nursery, as it would mean that the DC could have continuity of childcare with familiar carers once in school (assuming availability of places)

OwlinaTree · 06/09/2015 18:42

Ali did say could not would. It's all I did when i went to the childminders - many years ago!

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 18:47

It's so difficult knowing what's best isn't it? :)

I spoke to one brusque childminder on the phone - am visiting tomorrow Hmm not hopeful. Didn't like her attitude!

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LittleLionMansMummy · 06/09/2015 18:49

Just to add that our cm has had just one day sick in 4 years! If you can go by recommendations then it could be worth considering.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 18:51

I don't really know anyone who uses a childminder unfortunately but thanks :)

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hibbleddible · 06/09/2015 19:12

I'm watching with interest as this is a decision we will have to make soon.

I think the most important thing is finding a good provider, which obviously depends on the area. I'm still unsure what to do.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 19:17

I'm struggling too! I know people
Say go with your gut but all mine ever says is i'm hungry Grin

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Miloarmadillo1 · 06/09/2015 19:26

Nursery for all three of mine. Have had v bad experiences with childminders. Chose one on recommendation for DS1, she let us down a week before I started work, we had no come back except to sue her for breach of contract (we didn't) and we ended up with a hastily chosen nursery and no settling in period that fortunately turned out to be fantastic. DS2 we were needing after school care for DS1 and all day for DS2, went to meet a childminder and were horrified by the number of children she was allowed to have in her tiny house because she employed an "assistant" so went for nursery for DS2 and a different childminder for DS1. Had to pull him out PDQ after childminder decided to transport him with no child seat. Didn't even consider CM for DD. The boys use an after school club.
I'm sure there are fantastic childminders out there, we've been unlucky. Our area has a good choice of nurseries and we've looked for older, more settled staff as well as nice facilities. The children have always bonded strongly with their key worker and I see that as a massive plus. I wouldn't put them anywhere that I felt staff weren't cuddly or trying to form a bond. A CM or nursery key worker will ever replace their primary bond with their parents, but it can be a real positive in their life. My 8 yr old is still in touch with his key worker 4 years after leaving nursery.

Shiningdew · 06/09/2015 19:29

That's something I'm terrified of milo

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BackforGood · 06/09/2015 19:49

It's hard as I don't think i really want them to bond closely with one person

Whyever not ?

My dc (1 at university, 1 in 6th form and the other in Yr9) all have very, very fond memories of their childminders and the time they spent with them. I'd have thought a warm, loving, stable relationship was just what everyone would be aiming for, for their child.

That said, it's clear from your posts that your mind is made up, so I hope you find the Nursery you are after. Smile

NannyR · 06/09/2015 20:59

I'm a nanny and my youngest charge is three. I've looked after him ten hours a day, five days a week since he was 12 weeks old. I have a fantastic bond with him, I adore him and he loves me to bits, but there is absolutely no doubt that mum and dad are his number one, the most important people in his life.

He's delighted when I arrive in the morning and even more delighted when mum comes home at night.

As a parent, wouldn't you want to leave your children with someone with whom they felt secure, happy and loved, and someone who is constant in their life?