migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

These people aren't seeking refuge in the first country they arrive in, they are DEMANDING they be taken to their chosen countries

Some of them, yes, but there are still plenty in camps near Syria or sheltering in other countries, and while it's not ideal I'm sure they're just glad to have got the hell out of there

It's surely just as dangerous to assume they're all chancers as to believe they're all oppressed and desperate. People are people and a huge crowd like this is going to contain all sorts, even a few terrorists. As I've said before we need to be compassionate but we also need to protect ourselves - and I do agree that some among this group of folk aren't exactly making it easy to sort out who's who

all the bleeding hearts, do you really think these people would help you if you, for some reason, had to flee to their country? Damned sure they wouldn't. A small few might, most wouldn't I would safely bet.

I can just see some of these Islamic countries, taking in a large influx of christian refugees, feeding them and making them feel at home...LMAO!

Neighbouring countries won't even reach out a hand to help their fellow muslims....damn sure, they wouldn't help your family, don't delude yourself.

washington post - "As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees." This claim was echoed by Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, on Twitter"

So before we help someone we have to assess whether or not they will help us?

My name is on the organ donor list, like many other's i assume - should i specify that i would only donate to someone else who is on the register?

"do you really think these people would help you if you, for some reason, had to flee to their country? Damned sure they wouldn't"

Where are you getting this bullshit from? You're just making it up then believing it aren't you?!

In fact Syria had a very good record of taking in refugees when they were in a position to do so.

Also at least 10% of the population are Christian.

Just when I think I've seen just about all the idiotic comments I'm going to see on this thread...

I'd rather be a bleeding heart and help someone in need than ignore someone else's suffering on the off chance they might not help me if the roles were reversed. How selfish.

MorissZapp your post is a shocking, inhumane lie. A lie because of what it leaves out. Yes the family were in Turkey but that is only one part of a harrowing story. Shame on you.

Accounts like this are doing the rounds online:

"The ultimate injustice one can commit to Aylan Kurdi and his family is to omit the parts of his story which explain why he ended up dead on the beach. The details matter, so please read and share:

1. Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)

2. After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

3. When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.

4. While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of his eyes, in his arms.

5. Kurdi had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but was rejected. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."

do you really think these people would help you if you, for some reason, had to flee to their country? Damned sure they wouldn't

Just a moment, I need to go check my bible. I don't recall reading anything that said "love thy neighbour, but only if you think he will love you right back."

After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada.

My god, what a slap in the face that must have been to him, after they rejected his family previously. I don't blame him for turning that down, I'd have been enraged by that.

so you do believe a middle eastern Muslim country would open their country up for 100,000 fleeing christians from Europe? Welcome them in and give them everything they needed? oh god....hahahaha. The other Arab states won't even help their fellow muslims! (I notice you sidestepped my quoted report)

Ah now....the naivety and childlike trusting of the bleeding heart liberals is always so quaint.

ps, I do help my fellow country people out by giving to charity regularly...so I do possess empathy (before you try to paint me as a totally uncaring person in some desperate retort).

I'm just a realist

I don't know and I honestly don't care!

sums it up nicely

onlysaying are you a Christian?

If so are you aware of how unChristian you are being?

onlysaying - what a charmer you are. No, that cartoon does not sum it up nicely - it sums up how people like you justify sitting on their arses and doing nothing, bleating that they are 'realists.'

To call Europe giving humanitarian aid to the Middle East 'childlike' is so ignorant.

catsbum to you love.

ps, I do help my fellow country people out by giving to charity regularly...so I do possess empathy
It's an odd kind of empathy that is contingent on - let's face it - arbitarily-constructed geo-political boundaries. Where does it stop, exactly? The white cliffs?

I didn't know "realist" was spelled "F-U-C-K-I-N-G-I-D-I-O-T" these days. And FYI, Jordan, a Middle eastern country has been taking refugees in from Syria for a while now. And if you want to know when Muslim countries helped the British then you could do worse than looking at all the Pakistani soldiers who fought for this country in WWII. I guess technically they weren't "Pakistani" as it was pre-partition but that doesn't make them any less Muslim though.

all the people quoting the bible...doesn't it state somewhere god is also an angry god? Bible isn't all about endless love and bending over backwards for everyone. Anyway, I'm diversifying.

No-one has still addressed the point that fellow muslims countries arent helping like they should...which reinforces my point that if they can't help their own...they certainly wouldn't help your family.

and i DO support people fleeing from war...I'm just not as naive to believe that all these people are fleeing persecution...so I don't think the doors to europe should be flung open for everyone tom dick and harry who demands to come here

cerseirys - a realist - "a person who uses facts and past events, rather than hopeful feelings and wishes, to predict the future"

now back to your guardian!

Only if you go back to your Mail and Express, love...

I think you might be confusing your Testaments there onlysaying.

a realist - "a person who uses facts and past events, rather than hopeful feelings and wishes, to predict the future"

Then I guess you're not a realist either, as you're obviously not practising what you preach.

Are you really diversifying, onlysaying? How interesting.

Syrian refugees are in Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and Egypt. Approx 4 million of them. It just suits your rhetoric to believe that neighbouring Muslim countries aren't helping them, I suppose.

You best get on, that UKIP leaflet won't write itself you know!

Do you mean Muslim countries not helping like Jordan and Turkey onlysaying?

Due to the complex politics in the Syrian civil war and the Middle Eastern states and who is on whose side, it's hardly surprising that Syrian refugees are neither volunteering to go to ME states nor being invited.

Saudi Arabia is rumoured to be funding IS, practices a rigid form of Islam, ruled by Sunni Muslims, so hardly a destination for Shia Muslims fleeing the horrors of IS whose ideology stems from a branch of Sunni Islam.

Would Middle Eastern states take in refugees fleeing from the UK, possibly some of them would, would refugees from the UK flee to Middle Eastern States, possibly not.

No-one has still addressed the point that fellow muslims countries arent helping like they should...

Emotionsecho has briefly answered this, but the fact that you could even ask this question shows how woefully ignorant you are about the Middle East. Not that there is anything inherently wrong about not knowing much about this situation. But to come on here and peddle your ignorance as made up facts is another matter.

I've been on MN for a few years and some of the comments here are the most racist I've seen in my whole time here.

There are instances where white people have had racists comments towards them,I don't doubt that, but it's a small issue compared to the racist insult people who are not white face. I don't mean to offend but when people do this, it kind of reminds me when discussions happen about rape, and someone pops up and says "men are raped too" and try to say it happens just as much to men as it does women, or that women are rapists in the same number as men. I don't understand why people do that. I dont understand why meat in supermarkets, taxis refusing to take dogs, arranged marriages etc have even been brought up to be honest.

I've been called a white bitch myself, and yes it was horrible, yes it was scarey at the time, but it was a one off, for many people racism is something they have to deal with everyday You can't compare racism towards white people as being on the same scale against non white people.

It's ok to be worried about the impact extra people can have on the UK, but it's perfectly possible to voice those concerns without being racist.

Given the outrage about Canada's supposed refusal of Abdullah Kurdi's application, maybe it's worth mentioning that their Immigration service have denied even receiving one www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34142695

As so often with reporting of tragic cases, several inconsistencies seem to be creeping in - it's claimed the family fled ISIS attacks in Kobani at a time when it's said ISIS weren't even there, and there even appear to be differing accounts given by the father himself about his family's deaths

Let me be clear that none of this makes what happened any less awful, but as with the arguments about how best to deal with the whole issue, it does seem there's quite a bit of agenda-pushing going on, sometimes with the facts coming a very poor second