migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

No, no one is laughing at blind people.

People are laughing at the jaw-dropping stupidity of posters who extrapolate generalisations about an entire religion or culture based on one or two anecdotes. Although, actually, it really isn't very funny.

I fear that we, as in UK, Europe, US - will have to deal with IS at some point, and it frightens me. I have a terrible sense of impending doom about the whole thing. I hope it can be avoided, and I'm not sure a military intervention in Syria by us now would make things any better for the Syrians.

Seeing mention of climate change too - did anyone see Emma Thompson on Newsnight - saying that as time goes on if we don't stop CC, this refugee crisis will seem like a picnic in comparison to what will come.

I think denying people help based on their religion,as Kanye suggested us inhumane and divisive.

Most of the people in Homs and Aleppo have suffered through years of aerial bombardment and seige. Are people really saying they haven't suffered enough?

Ijny - thank you, that means a lot.

I think the response of the continental EU is very much an emotional one which ignores the fact the cost of supporting one family who make it to the EU could be better spent supporting 50 families in Turkey or Syria itself. Or that getting here is often a sign of being the least in need

Statements full of sheer common sense, Kanye Refreshing, too, to see remarks which seek to address the actual problems, rather than some which seem to just be waving a flag for their own class/political/whatever prejudices

Granted the whole situation is extremely upsetting, but I honestly don't think the best decisions are made on the basis of inflamed emotions

I already explained, I have 2 blind friends with a guide dog. They ordered a taxi but when it arrived the driver refused to take them as they had a dog with them, he explained that it was against his religion to have dogs in his car. Therefore my friends had to walk home, just because they didn't kick up a fuss and go to the papers people are saying it didn't happen and were mocking the fact that dogs are not allowed in some taxis.

Just the same as I was called a liar for saying I was spat at but no one has doubted that the person up thread was spat at or the lady was abused on the train. I don't know why some people are to be believed but others not.

That is another case of prejudice.

I don't think just giving financial aid to those in Turkey or Syria is enough - the conditions out there (partic in Syria) are just too appalling. Refugees are spilling into Europe for a reason - and it isn't greed, and it isn't because they want to force Muslim values on us - it is because they are desperate.

I think denying people help based on their religion,as Kanye suggested us inhumane and divisive.

I totally agree. Did Kanye say that? I must have missed that.

Well personally I don't think you're lying, but I do think that your experiences are pretty irrelevant to this topic, sorry if that comes across as rude but really, your experiences are not a reason to limit help to those in dire need.

And also you seem to be ignoring that fact that people have had these experiences, including the dog taxi thing, with people from other religions and cultures!

SHabby, I don't think anyone is interested in your little anecdotes because you are posting them to be divisive and they are utterly irrelevant to the Syrian refugee crisis.

Shabby doesn't want Syrian refugees here because Muslims spat at her in the street once, and refused to take a guide dog in a taxi. Call David Cameron immediately! This changes everything!

totally agree with OP. These people aren't seeking refuge in the first country they arrive in, they are DEMANDING they be taken to their chosen countries. Personally I don't go along with all the bleeding hearts. There are undoubtably innocent people caught up in this crisis...people who genuinely are fleeing for their lives. However I fear there are a lot of manipulative and cunning economic migrants also flooding into Europe amongst these people.

Here is another thing that puzzled me - the father who lost his 2 children and wife in the tragic drowning incident. I saw on the news he returned to Syria and buried his family in a funeral ceremony, attended by lots of friends and locals. Was this man not feeling for his life from persecution in his homeland?

Why on earth would you return to the country, you were feeling for your life from? That didn't make sense to me. How did he get back there as well?

I don't dispute for one minute, it was a horrible tragic thing to happen to anyone, I just couldn't understand why he then returned to his, presumably, hated homeland. The place where he wanted to escape from at any cost, a week beforehand. That did puzzle me a bit

One thing we could do to prevent things like this happening in the future. STOP SELLING WEAPONS to dodgy regimes. Or indeed anyone at all in case they later turn out to be despots. Oh how we benefitted in selling weapons to Saddam Hussein, the Saudis, Suharto, Pinochet etc etc. There's a big arms fair in East London in a couple of weeks. How many of those weapons will end up fuelling another civil war?
www.stopthearmsfair.org.uk

And Shabby. For you, as a white Briton, to talk of prejudice against you, just shows you have absolutely no clue about the things you are talking about. Who do you think suffers more prejudice? White British, Muslims, Jewish, Asians, black people, or any other ethnic minority?? I'll give you a clue - it aint white British people.

alsmutko - I couldn't agree more.

Greenwood- did you see an article recently which claimed climate change to be a major cause of the civil war in Syria? There was a big drought and famine which caused mass movement to cities, mass unemployment, poverty and destabled the region? Bashir tried to clamp down on those he didn't like, more oppression, more mass movement, then ISIL moved in with (or opposed to?) the 'rebels' and the result is what we see now.

Onlysaying- so what are you trying to imply here? That things must be ok in Syria for him to return back there? That this journey that he made was just for larks? He's just lost his family, I gather he was trying to get them to safety and to a better life, perhaps now that that has not worked out he sees no point in carrying on? He's just lost his wife and children, fuck knows what's going through his mind.

I find posts like yours so so offensive, the idea that you could even begin to imagine what is going on inside a refugees head, from the comfort of your home in the west. You seem to think of these people as somehow completely different to you, as lacking in morals or being greedy, maybe that helps you make sense of things but these are fellow human beings going through something so awful none of us here can begin to imagine, so I find questioning the motives of this poor man incredibly distasteful.

Oh and while we're talking about 'western values'. It should be pointed out that until recently Syria had one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, after Ethiopia and Egypt. Until recently those populations rubbed along nicely, as did Muslims and Jews in Tunisia and Morocco. For centuries.
During which time in Europe, there was systematic oppression of Jews (read up on Clifford's Tower in York in the 12th Century). There were the Hugenots expelled from France. There was the Spanish Inquisition. Then there was the Third Reich and 'the final solution'.

"Why on earth would you return to the country, you were feeling for your life from? That didn't make sense to me."

He is on record as saying he has lost everything and so is going back to fight.

Before he was trying to get his family to place of safety away from war.

No he has nothing left to live for so he's going back to the war zone.

What is so hard do understand about that?

Where is your compassion?

People like you make me ashamed to be human.

oh... he's 'going back to fight' is he? I see, well I guess killing other people, then will help to make everything better.

Some people severely lack empathy, it's truly terrifying.

I guess if he manages to kill a few Isis members that would be ok surely?

Dear god. What do you want him to do? Just lie down and and die?

He tries to escape the war, you criticise him.

He loses everything, goes back to fight - you still criticise him.

One wonders what he could do to gain your approval. I expect you just want him, and all the other troublesome refugees out of your line of sight, yes?

He wasn't fleeing war when he got in the boat. He was fleeing Turkey, where he and his family had lived for years and had an apartment.

He wasn't fleeing war when he got in the boat. He was fleeing Turkey, where he and his family had lived for years and had an apartment.

Oh rtft mate. People have explained very clearly why they probably wanted to leave Turkey. But no it must be because he's greedy eh?
STEP OUTSIDE YOUR OWN CUSHY LIFE FOR ONCE.

Jesus shabby do you have a problem with comprehension or are you deliberately misunderstanding statements? I wasn't saying I don't believe you, I'm saying that you can't discriminate against an entire people by the actions of a few. Is that clear enough now?

Thanks alsmutko, as was pointed out earlier something like 10% of the population in Syria are Christian. So it isn't just "dangerous Muslims who want to take over" who are fleeing.