To think Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is way to thin.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3202619/Cheryl-Fernandez-Versini-displays-slim-physique-black-jumpsuit-perfume-launch.html

Her arms just look way too thin, the article is not the greatest photos but a quick google makes her look even thinner.

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/cheryl-fernandez-versini-defies-weight-critics-6027419

We clearly have different thoughts on body confidence and self worth roussette. I've unintentionally ended up too thin even by my standards. I wouldn't think of hiding it though, let alone at her size. Just like it wouldn't cross my mind to think anyone unintentionally gaining weight should hide it. I'm not ashamed of my body so I don't tend to randomly assume others should be either. Do you think darcey bussell danced in a figure disguising costume because of her ribs?

Saw her live just after she split with Ashley Cole. She was horribly thin then. I couldn't believe how tiny and skinny she was, she looked like a pre pubecsbent boy, I wasn't jealous just really shocked. Even the 'fat' girls aloud member was a size 8 max.

I've never seen CC in RL but I saw Rira Ora in the flesh recently and Rita Ora was absolutely teeny tiny..

Based on these pictures of the pair of them at the same event I can only deduce that CC must look seriously unwell in RL.

Interesting Lurked and I take on board what you're saying. I too have ended up too thin and I know what state my mind was in at that time. Not good. Perhaps I am swayed by that.

Also having DDs (now grown up) I just am aware how role models, mothers, pop stars, saturday night xfactor judges.... those they look up to can have a huge influence on how they perceive themselves.

I really cannot compare to Darcey (I luv her). Top ballerinas are - by the nature of what they do - just teeny tiny.

That's what I mean rousette, top ballerinas have the same lean muscle/ low fat physiche and are obviously very healthy to perform at that level. And in fairness so are many other athletes, even the ones with more muscle bulk can have similar fat levels even if they don't look the same. Plenty of people train though without performing/ competing at top level. So I don't understand why it's healthy and attractive for someone like darcey but bad on someone else when we don't have anything but photos to go on. And tbh going on photos from the nature of most I bet darcey looks far the thinner of the two.
And fwiw I'm not even a ballet person but I still think darcey is great too, and like watching it for the skill appreciation iyswim.

She looks fine. She's got a tiny frame.

Gosh I would imagine Darcey is far far bigger than Cheryl, now she has given up her ballet, she is a bit more rounded I think because she doesn't have the punishing schedule of ballet practice. I think I'm a little in love with Darcey!

Yes ballerinas are healthy with that lean muscle etc, they have to be to perform, they are athletes of a sort. I'm just not sure that Cheryl's thinness is quite so healthy and also the motivation behind it.

now going to happily google pictures of Darcey for a while!

Plenty of people train though without performing/ competing at top level

Very true Lurked, if an athlete or dancer has very low body fat we tend to accept that it is 'natural' for them to look that way.
Yet if someone else attains a similar physique via a similar 'regime' of diet and training they may be condemned.

As if it's acceptable to look like that if it's a means to an end, an unavoidable consequence of your profession.
But not Ok if the physique is an end in itself...just because you want to look good.

Cheryl is very slender, but not emaciated. ?

Yes ballerinas are healthy with that lean muscle etc, they have to be to perform, they are athletes of a sort. I'm just not sure that Cheryl's thinness is quite so healthy and also the motivation behind it

So it's good and healthy to have a ballet dancer's body if you are a ballet dancer.
But if you're not a ballet dancer and you have a ballet dancer's body ?that is bad and unhealthy.

Only ballet dancers are allowed to have that kind of body? ?

Are ballerinas that healthy?
They put their bodies through punishing daily schedules of training, food reduction etc.

Most suffer the most awful conditions and have to undergo endless operations. You would only put yourself through that out of a commitment to dance not for aesthetic reasons surely?

Two of these photos are of a slim Cheryl at around nineteen to twenty years old, the third is a photo of her at around thirty two years old.

She was naturally slim as a very young woman, she was probably around a size eight. But she also looked healthy. She has, for reasons I certainly don't know, very clearly lost a significant amount of weight. Cheryl is not a naturally very very thin woman, unless the argument is being made that she was overweight (for her) in the early 2000s.

I think Cheryl has a fabulous figure in the picture where she is wearing pink but she looks unwell in the most recent picture.

Regarding ballerinas's bodies: ‘I’ve had two operations on my ankles, reconstructive knee ligament surgery, and the wear and tear on my body has aged it by ten years,’ says Darcey.

She says that she enjoys having a less restrictive diet and exercise regime now.

Afaik the main problems with dancers are foot problems from being en point (sp?) and problems relating to hypermobility, joint / ligament instability.

It is possible to attain the physique of an althete or dancer without risking the injuries incurred from training which is focused excessively on specific movements and activities.

So in many ways the recreational althete can be an all rounder and much healthier because there is no pressure to perform at an elite level or to limit your activity to any one discipline.
You can be more balanced. ?

Yes, Cheryl's attempt to say she has her six stone Mum's genes, is patently untrue.

But she then goes on to say her current weight is because she's 'been through so much '. Which implies her weight loss is not a good thing or natural.

Like most slebs, she's all over the place on this issue.

shegot the health issues from anyone at that level aren't from body fat levels. I'm not an expert on ballet but in other sports with the same type of physiche it's injury/ strain not body fat that causes problems. And again lean muscle goes before fat if you starve yourself, and following practices that make your metabolism sluggish is the last thing anyone seriously training wants to do. More likely with someone overweight following a silly diet than anyone who needs lean muscle, or even a celeb with access to trainers who know about metabolism and muscle.
Yes it can be love of dance or whatever else that drives someone to train that much, but many of us still love the natural high it gives and enjoy the training itself and the health benefits, and it becomes habit.

rousette I had a quick Google to see if I was right guessing darcey looks thinner in pics, and she does in performance ones because obviously the costume and stretching highlights it more. There's one ( don't know which ballet) of her leaning back and her ribs across her chest would be slaughtered on a celeb.

I don't think ballerinas are quite as healthy as is being claimed. Extremely fit athletes yes, but often at quite some considerable long term cost.
I'm also really tired of the claim that someone very underweight is normal and it's just that everyone else is fat now. I've got eyes in my head, been alive for 40 years and lived on 3 continents. I can see what's healthy and what's too thin. The person in that picture is underweight.
I'd be just as happy to say if someone was overweight. They are simple medical facts.

It can not be argued that a ballerina's body is normal for the vast majority of the population. Plenty of talented ballet dancers will not 'make it' simply because their bodies don't or can't conform to what a ballet dancer's body should look like. So professional ballet dancers are a group already set apart by their body shape and type even before training regimes and diets are taken into account.

The bodies of professional dancers, cyclists, athletes are difficult to emulate on a hobby basis. How can an average person, working a forty hour week and training on top possibly hope to match the physicality of a sports person whose full time job is training and competing? When again those professionals are already where they are because their bodies are exceptional, not normal.

I know a former professional cyclist who was stick thin despite eating around 10,000 calories a day because the level of training he undertook was astonishing. He looks more 'normal' now he is living like the rest of us.

I also know someone who ran in the London Marathon this year. They had followed a proper training schedule over a period of many months and were rewarded with a good time in the race. In comparison to Cheryl (if she is being used as the yard stick for how we should look) they remained very overweight, before during and after.

Elite athletes are not normal, they don't have bodies like the rest of us, we don't have bodies like them.

Arguing that Cheryl's current figure is normal is bonkers as is justifying the argument by comparing her to elite athletes.

Jo Brand doesn't have a normal figure either.

simple medical facts

Slaggy, what are the medical facts re the level at which body fat is low enough to compromise health?
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Is it to do with just body fat, or does the amount of lean tissue ?also play a role?

I'd be interested to know because I've never been able to find a consensus but I'm clearly not privy to the medical facts ?

Polly, I think you are conflating 'normal' and 'optimal'
?
Normal is fat
But fat is far from optimal ?

The bodies of professional dancers, cyclists, athletes are difficult to emulate on a hobby basis

In terms of performance elite althetes are a group apart, and in terms of bio mechanical fit for their sport.
It's still perfectly possible to attain an athletic physique, I can get a body like Jess Ennis, but I'd never be able to get close to her in terms of performance ?

Yes a bit too thin which for me is only a problem if teen girls look up to her
Tbf I struggle with weight and I am ashamed to say I wouldn't mind being that thin cause then I can eat everything
But problem if you in the limelight looking like this, you can contribute to little girls doing all the wrong things in order to loose the weight
So YANBU

Polly, Your cyclist was doing all the training because he needed to keep his aerobic capacity and neuromuscular ability at it's absolute peak .

Perfectly possible to have the same body composition by doing less training and eating in proportion to activity levels.

This all boils down to a feeling that only exceptional elite physical performers are allowed to be in shape.
Normal people being lean is just not on because it makes the fat people feel bad. ?

Suzanne I think you misunderstand what I consider to be normal.

You also seem to assume that when I was talking about elite athletes I was only talking about appearance.

how are you defining 'normal' then Polly?

And it obviously wasn't perfectly possible for my marathon friend, who took it all very seriously, to end up with a similar body appearance to my cyclist friend, or to Paula Radcliffe for that matter. It's probably one of the reasons she isn't a professional runner despite being passionate about it as a hobby.