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DH always frustrated. Is he BU or AIBU to be sensitive?

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ToFleaOrNotToFlea · 25/07/2015 07:51

Hello all, DH seems to always be frustrated in our relationship to the point where he has little outbursts of sulking, moodiness and swearing. The things which particularly set him off are if the house is slightly untidy (it is always pristine). Or if he needs to work in the garden he carries it out with an air of annoyance. He says he cannot relax until things are tidy and jobs are done. When he has these outbursts, it makes me feel like I want to do a number 2 - it chills me and makes me feel on the edge. He knows this but carries on anyway, stating that he is not being unreasonable about being frustrated from time to time.

However, it has really got me down and I always seem to be anticipating his mood. He has said some really mean things that I can't shake off and I feel a bit damaged. He also puts that down to not really meaning it and being frustrated at the time.

So any little outburst of frustration from him will really affect me to the point that I feel I can't be with him anymore. When I confront the behaviour, he just brushes it of as me not being able to deal with adults getting annoyed.

Last weekend, for example, we went to an event and were stuck in traffic. My way of dealing with it would be 'oh well, annoying, but we can't do anything about it' kind of thing.

His reaction was to keep banging the steering wheel, swearing, growling, going on and on about how we always fail, and we should have got up earlier and we are always rubbish. He kept saying he was goin to have a breakdown - and the atmosphere in the car was blue. DS aged 4 was in the back saying nothing, being a good little boy. I said to DH, why don't you walk if you are frustrated and I will drive and meet you there(I had seen on my phone map that we were 1.7 miles away). He spitted that I always say stuff that doesn't mean anything and don't know what I am on about, and how could I expect him to walk on a verge with stingers. He chose to stay in the car and keep complaining that we were missing all the best stuff.

We finally got there and we didn't miss the best stuff, but there was a bit of a walk to the arena. DS is only little and cannot walk fast but I could see DH face getting more and more annoyed as he cannot walk slow.

On the way home, I confronted him about his behaviour and said he behaved like a prick. I know I should not have use that name (but it was the first time I used any insult in 16 years of being together and it was probably the first time I stood up to him).

He did not take kindly to that and rolled his eyes, shut down the conversation and refused to help me navigate home. There were several roads closed and I didn't know where I was going. I asked him if I should go right and he made out he didn't know (with attitude). I proceeded to turn right and it was wrong and he screamed at me (turn fucking left!!!!) luckily DS was sleeping.

A horrible atmosphere followed for a couple of days. I apologised for using the p word. Suggested couples counselling (which was originally his idea but he was now saying he would feel uncomfortable and embarrassed talking in front of a stranger).

I asked him if he wanted something to eat for dinner one evening and he didn't answer me or look at me. I asked him again, he said yes please. I made him the dinner which he was pleased with because afterwards he was hugging me. So confusing, he oscillates from moods to being happy i can't keep up with it.

When I tried to discuss it last night again, he shut it down and made it my problem that people get frustrated from time to time and I am unable to deal with this which is normal. I said it isn't acceptable if it makes me feel terrible and he replied in a sarcastic tone that he was sorry for getting frustrated and disturbing 'your lovely life'.

I know the traffic situation seems minor, but it is just to illustrate. It makes my stomach feel tight and puts me on edge.

Who has the problem? Is it me being sensitive, or is it quite common for partners to behave this way when they are annoyed?

Thanks

OP posts:
reallywittyname · 27/07/2015 23:20

*contact not correct

clam · 28/07/2015 00:20

He got into bed with you for a 'cuddle?' Shock

LizzieVereker · 28/07/2015 00:38

Sweetheart, take your lovely boy and go.

Your DS deserves to live in a home where he can play with his toys in peace, and you deserve so much better too.

Of course you can cope with adult life, you're doing it already. Your DH is the one who behaves like a toddler. Please be very careful now - he knows you are planning to leave and that can be a dangerous time.

Wishing you courage and a peaceful home very soon. Thanks

Nolim · 28/07/2015 06:13

Thoughts? Well he admits he cannot deal with adult life so unless you want to deal with a middle age child forever, follow on with your plan to move. You have been honest.

Janette123 · 28/07/2015 06:22

tofleaornottoflea,
it sounds to me like your husband has an anger management problem.

Has he always been like this or has it just started recently?

tumbletumble · 28/07/2015 06:47

Thoughts? Well, it was never going to be an easy conversation, was it? If you still feel that an incident like the one in the car could happen again at any time, then nothing he said last night seems to say otherwise.

How are you feeling?

BabyGanoush · 28/07/2015 07:29

How could you think he'd be a guarantor?!

He thinks he is normal.

He won't help you leave

Don't count on an angry man being reasonable or helpful if you try yo leave him!

clam · 28/07/2015 07:42

In less sad circumstances it might be amusing to point out that actually, he is the one who can't cope with adult/normal life.

ZetaPu · 28/07/2015 07:57

I agree clam. It could be amusing to point out to him that adults do not normally get so stressed out and have toddler like tantrums with noises (!) like he does.
Normal adults remain mostly calm and deal with stressful situations in an adult manner, not like an inexperienced and over reactive child.

Charley50 · 28/07/2015 08:10

OP, he's not going to be rational about you leaving so don't expect him to be. I'm another one who grew up with a dad like him and the damaging effects last a lifetime.
I would just leave. Ask a friend to be a guarentor. If you own your current home you are entitled to stay in it but maybe it's best that you make that move now, and sort out finances later. I wouldn't go on the holiday either.

bigbumtheory · 28/07/2015 08:11

Even if he had said yes, it is a bad idea asking him to be guarantor. He is controlling op, you would be still under his control and subject to threats of no longer being guarantor. He would control and jiggle you up and down until he had you thankful when he magnanimously would offer to take you back.

Dont play into his hands. Dont ask just do.

He pretty much has said he's not able to be a decent father or husband. Then he made it about you not shagging him and tried it on! After giving you time to reflect on his truths of course. He probably expected you to have sex with him and forget this leaving nonsense.

Thoughts? Speak to women's aid asap. Be sure in your mind about whats best for you and best for dc. He will never agree to amicable seperation op: it will always be your fault, nothing to do with him- and he wont help unless theres a way to punish and control you in it for him.

ToFleaOrNotToFlea · 28/07/2015 08:28

DH made me breakfast in bed this morning. Has agreed to go to counselling. Said he can't cope with stress very well and this is why he has outbursts of frustration. I said, you mean you take it out on me. He said He gets annoyed as I don't see what needs doing and he hates his job. Begged me not to move out and said things will be better from now on. We have a session booked for tomorrow eve, it has to he worth a shot.

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Nolim · 28/07/2015 08:31

Be careful op. It would be good for him to sort himself out, but is it too little too late?

bigbumtheory · 28/07/2015 08:37

Good luck op. Id like to think this may be a turning point for him but I suspect this is more to keep you sweet and stop you thinking of leaving or to play happy families on holiday. Just remember you can come back for support when you need it.

Remember what you and your son need and deserve, do not excuse his bad behavior and the effect it will have.

tomatoplantproject · 28/07/2015 08:39

Have just read your thread. He sounds vile. He sounds the way my h was at times. Life is much more peaceful without him in it. Its actually much tidier too because I don't have to tidy up after him. I also don't have to produce culinary masterpieces each evening which then get criticised.

If you are going down the counselling route can you use the time to investigate your plan b? See a lawyer? Look at money/finances? Start squirrelling money away in a separate bank account?

Fluffycloudland77 · 28/07/2015 08:40

It's a stalling tactic. You've rattled him and it's a way of controlling you.

BabyGanoush · 28/07/2015 08:51

Well, you were easy to mollify

Don't put up with any more shit though

The anger issues will not have magically disappeared

WeirdCatLady · 28/07/2015 08:56

OP, he is still blaming you for everything isn't he?

Personally, I would still move out, there is nothing to stop him/you both going through counselling while you and your son get some distance. But I suspect he wouldn't do that, he is only going to counselling to make sure you stay put.

Please contact WA for some good advice. Good luck x

HolgerDanske · 28/07/2015 08:57

Too little too late.

It isn't worth a shot, it really isn't. Counselling is the easy bit, the actual work of changing the way you behave is much, much harder. It's going to take years, and that's if he actually wants to change it. And in the meantime it will be much, much easier for things to fall back into the usual dynamic over and over again. That dynamic which is so harmful to children.

TheOddity · 28/07/2015 09:04

You've done the telling him bit, now you are just down to practicalities. Why do you need a guarantor? Can you not afford the rent on your own? Who can be your guarantor? Having your husband was a pants idea by the way. Do you own the house you are in now? If so, can't you secure the rental against the house?

Has anyone been in this position and can give OP some practical advice to get the ball rolling?

TheOddity · 28/07/2015 09:10

You know he is capable of being nice. You shouldn't be letting that influence your decision. If he is only ready for counselling after he sees you are ready to leave, why not leave anyway and go through with the counselling once you are separated? You don't have to live with him to have counselling. You may find regardless of the counselling you prefer to live without him. I wouldn't want to live with someone while they work through their issues. He can have you back when he has sorted himself out, if you actually want that. I reckon though that once you are in your own place with your son you may well be happier and not actually want to go back. It is hard to have perspective about these things while you are living together. If your life improves when living alone, you'll have your answer. It's not really about him now, it's about you and your son and what is best for you both.

ZetaPu · 28/07/2015 09:12

I think it's worth giving him a chance if he genuinely wants to change.
My dh is managing it. He's just learned little ways to manage himself like just walking away if he starts to feel angry, realising he looks a twat when he starts getting annoyed for minor things (I said to him once, imagine if you walked past a house and saw a man having a go like you did. He hadn't realised), and getting involved in a sport.
I also pointed out to him that when he looks back on his life, what does he want to remember and what does he want his family to remember? A moody grump or a loving and fun person? The choice was his.

If your dh really wants to change then he can.

Everyone's a result of their upbringing. Sometimes they don't realise how their behaviour affects others but they don't know how to change.

Good luck.

musicalbingo · 28/07/2015 10:00

This is classic emotional manipulation.

I love that even when attempting to be nice - he is horrid.

He said He gets annoyed as I don't see what needs doing

What. on. Earth!!!!!

He can see you mean business and is running scared.
I love that he threw the counselling he up until now refused to attend in your face!

Think about it logically, as it is actually pretty brilliant on his part. Going to the sessions buys him a fair chunk of time, also the counselor is hardly going to say in the first session - "you know what LTB". They are going to actively encourage to stay and work on things. Mission accomplished.

None of this is going to change - despite all of his promises.

IMO you should still cut and run. Or plan B kick him out of your "lovely home".

Also take that job you were offered (you posted on another thread about it) if you haven't already turned it down. Financial independence will make it much easier to get out.

clam · 28/07/2015 10:39

You managed to get a counselling session within a day?!

pickingstrawberries · 28/07/2015 10:51

If it's a private session, why not?

I was able to arrange a counselling session within three hours once!