Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

SAHM/P question? (personal)

210 replies

waitaminutenow · 22/07/2015 08:56

Going off another thread and because I am extremely nosey...lol
My question is if you are a SAHM (or SAHP)...
How long have you been at home?
How many children do you have and what ages are they?
What does your OH do and what is they're pay (v personal I know!)?
Do you receive wtc ctc and cb?

I don't want this to turn into a bashing thread for or about anyone. It's genuine curiosity of how others live that is all.

OP posts:
RedDaisyRed · 24/07/2015 16:43

I expect it depends on your country too and what others earn in comparison to you. If you live a wild life in the Amazon jungle I am pretty sure you are not necessarily less happy than a Londoner on £100k. They probably both get exercise and whole food and enough sun. I agree that being on a low in the UK but it's probably a curve. If you don't work at all because "hard working tax payers" fund your life of utter idleness you can get out and sit in that park or the deck chair on your balcony or nearest patch of grass and think. (Thinking of conversation from daughter of 10 minutes ago asking me why she works hard to fund her one bed flat whilst surrounded by benefits claimants who do nothing and she meets hard working Eastern Europeans when she commutes to work at 6am (she was kept up by a semi riot of unemployed benefits claimants in London last night between 4 and 6am and got 3 hours sleep. Those messing around in the streets of course didn't have to get up for work as they live off her taxes many by choice around there where jobs abound in London zone 2).

BertieBotts · 24/07/2015 16:47

Oh yes of course. Though I'm not at all interested in benefits bashing.

It's much easier and less stressful for DH and I to live on a combined salary of around £18k in Germany than it was in the UK. There we seemed to really be struggling and couldn't save, couldn't get credit, were living hand to mouth. Here we can save, we can access credit, we've just bought a brand new car, and we don't have money worries. We still have to budget carefully but it's no longer catastrophic if we go over or if there's an unexpected expense. And we pay more tax here. I have to admit I don't really understand why there is such a big difference.

RedDaisyRed · 24/07/2015 17:14

That's interesting about Germany. I wonder what is so much cheaper that £18k is enough to live on there. Rent is usually people's biggest expense. Is that a lot cheaper there?

BertieBotts · 24/07/2015 18:47

Yes and no. We pay the equivalent of £500 a month but we have a really small flat, 55 square metres/600 square feet. (DS' bedroom is too small for a double bed, our kitchen is in the living room, no dining area, bathroom you could wee into the toilet from the shower while brushing your teeth looking in the mirror kind if size.) Looking at Rightmove you can find similar priced/sized properties for rent in Britain in cheaper areas, but not most areas. It's hard to compare because in Britain we don't classify rental houses/flats by square footage. I don't know how our town compares to other German towns. The going rate here is roughly €10 per square metre, so we are in fact overpaying (€700).

There is no council tax, which would be another £150 or so IIRC on a small property and some bills are often included in the rent - for example our water bill and gas central heating bill are included, but we pay our own electricity, internet, phone, etc. There is often a service charge for the building (extra to the rent, but not optional) which may include some utilities but usually just covers things like lighting and maintenance of communal hallways.

It costs a lot to move here. We are looking at about €4k next time we want to. This is because estate agents can charge a massive whack of commission, usually 3.5 months' rent. Then there is the security deposit and first month's rent in advance. And then Germans tend to take the concept of unfurnished flats to the extreme, so you have to buy a kitchen and light fittings, or sometimes you can buy them from the previous tenant. There are laws going through to limit the amount of commission it's possible to charge but very slowly. That said, renting is very secure and people often rent for much longer than they do in the UK.

Childcare seems cheaper but we don't use full time childcare. For Kindergarten, ages 3-6, 7.30am to 2pm we pay €97 (£69) a month. It's state subsidised. I don't know the costs for all day or for younger children. When he starts school this year we will pay €47 a month for school dinners and he will have care from 8am to 4pm. The school dinner is mandatory for the full day school. Some children attend 8-12 and go home for the day so have lunch there.

The Euro has dropped a LOT in the last year, so it might just be that until recently the difference wasn't that marked, but wages/cost of living haven't gone up as dramatically. £18k currently is about €25k. When we moved two years ago £18k was more like €21k. Depressing if we keep comparing, because DH has had several pay rises since we moved, but the rate compared to the pound has probably stayed about the same!

Karoleann · 24/07/2015 18:52

I've been SAHM for 3 years (but I'm doing a masters too)
3 children 9,7,4.
DH earns lots.
No benefits.

NurNochKurzDieWeltRetten · 26/07/2015 09:21

Bertie not all of Germany - prices vary as much as they do throughout the UK. €18 K would barely even pay the rent anywhere commutable to Munich, even in cheap areas, with space to swing a cat/ for a family of 5.

NurNochKurzDieWeltRetten · 26/07/2015 09:38

morethan I agree outgoings are at least as significant as income - but that's not only about being frugal. I know people who have inherited or been gifted property who live very comfortably because one walloping great bill doesn't exist for them.

BertieBotts · 26/07/2015 20:46

Not €18k, £18k.

NurNochKurzDieWeltRetten · 27/07/2015 06:25

Ah ok - but you will have paid the €7k in tax anyway, so there still wouldn't be anything left after rent for bills/food/clothing/school stationary Wink

The childcare situation is different by state too - although Kindergarten is subsidised UK kids get a free 15 hoursfrom age 3, so what we pay for 20 hours a week isn't a as cheapwhen compared to 15 free hours... Obviously, plus the fact they'd be at free 9am-- 3pm school at 4/5 when we'restill paying for kKindergarten. And local to us school finishes at 11.20 for the first year - lunch club til 2pm would be € 100 per child per month - again that be free in the UK.

Bavaria is cheaper than the London area but more expensive than some parts of of the UK, I don't think you can say the country as a whole is cheap/expensive for either Germany or the UK.

BertieBotts · 27/07/2015 10:01

Oh yes. Agreed there :)

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread