to think we all need to take responsibility for challenging islamophobia

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It is so common and so hurtful to some of our fellow citizens. I don't think any of us should let it pass when we hear it, in private, but especially in public.

Well ok then, all Muslims including myself are terrorists. You've all convinced me. I hope you don't mind a Muslim terrorist posting on mumsnet for general western women's problems. Obviously when I am not spreading hate and plotting carnage. Thanks ladies xx

PRESS RELEASE DATED 3RD JULY 2015

FROM THE MANNAN FAMILY IN THE LAND OF KHILAFAH

In the name of Allah the Merciful and especially Merciful

We release this statement to confirm that, indeed we are in the Islamic State. A land that is free from the corruption and oppression of man made law and is governed by the shariah, the perfect and just laws of Allah subhanAllah wa Ta'la.

Yes, all 12 of us and why should this number be shocking, when there are thousands and thousands of Muslims from all corners of the world that are crossing over land and sea everyday to come to the Islamic State? That are willingly leaving the so called freedom and democracy that was forced down our throat in the attempt to brainwash Muslims to forget about their powerful and glorious past and now present.

Or is it shocking that those attempts have clearly failed? That regardless of being born and bred in the west, the epitome of democracy, our Islam was not washed away? And despite the totalitarian rules that are in place, Muslims are still awaking to their obligations?

Don't be shocked when we say that none of us were forced against our will. In fact it is outrageous to think that an entire family could be kidnapped and made to migrate like this. It wasn't by the command of a single person in the family but by the command of the Khalifah of the Muslims. Who has called all Muslims, whether young or old, single or in families, to make hijrah to the state of Islam. A land that has established the Shariah, in which a Muslim doesn't feel oppression when practising their religion. In which a parent doesn't feel the worry of losing their child to the immorality of society. In which the sick and elderly do not wait in agony, tolerating the partiality of race or social class.

Alhamdulillah for the establishment of the Khilafah.

We say to those that are concerned for our safety to put your hearts at rest for we feel safer than we have ever felt before. We call all Muslims, to rush to the command of your khalif. Race to your state. Race to what will give you honour in this life and the hereafter. Hasten to the obedience of Allah. Do not fear losing the life you built for yourselves by making hijrah but fear losing your Imaan and Islam whilst residing in darul kufr and not making hijrah.

'Verily! As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, "In what condition were you?". They replied, "We were weak and oppressed on earth". The Angels asked, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - what an evil destination!” [Chapter Nisa:97]

We pray Allah saves from such a fate and guides us all to be obedient to His commands. Ameen.

The Mannan Family in the Islamic State

The number of Muslims who are terrorists is tiny. In the UK the majority are not even extremist. But I do think the minority of extremists is a lot more sizeable than people would like to admit.

And this isn't because the only contact I've ever had with Muslims is waiters. It's from having a Muslim boss who treated her staff differently and was kind and easy going to Muslim staff but behaved in a haranguing, bullying manner to non-Muslim staff that would probably have led to racism investigations if it had happened the other way around. It's from working with some Muslims who would not discuss anything beyond work with non-Muslim colleagues but we're happy to socialise with Muslim colleagues. It's from having a report made to an agency complaining that my (knee length skirt) was offending them. It's from living in Bethnal Green and regularly being told 'get out, this is a Muslim area'. It's from living on an estate where the only neighbour who said as much as 'hello' to us over a year was the one other non-Muslim living there. It's from sitting in my flat listening to Louis Farrakhan tapes being played at the Islamic bookshop opposite is which advocated the murder of my family and described us as a 'cancer which must be driven out and stamped under our feet' on the basis of our colour. And being spat at in the street while dressed in a pretty conservative outfit by western standards and tutted at and occasionally shouted at by old men for walking faster than them in the street and having the temerity to walk faster than them.

I do have Muslim friends who do none of these things and I'm aware that the majority don't. But I would like to see hate speech and discrimination on the part of those who do treated in exactly the same way it's treated if the person doing it is white. And getting rid of the climate of fear where people are too scared to report because they know they are the one who will be branded racist.

As a society we have changed attitudes towards women; gay people; people of different races because we have as a society been prepared to stand up and say some behaviour is unacceptable. We could do the same regarding Islamic extremism but we won't because we're too scared to confront it for fear of causing offence.

We must challenge Islamic extremism and also those aspects of Islamic culture which are incompatible with life in this country. It is not ok for Muslims to live here and take everything the UK has to offer yet harbour views which are antithetical to and intolerant of UK culture and values. We are not a Muslim country, so if that's what you are looking for you need to leave the UK and find a Muslim country to take you in. In some cases that could be by going back to your country of origin. Leave the rest of us alone, if you don't like us bugger of to somewhere where you can find people and culture you do like.

Kardamyli

Loads of people in the UK have unpleasant views - what do we do with everyone else who has unpleasant views and not just views but actually acts in unpleasant ways? Or is it just Muslims who are not allowed the freedom to think what they want, to hold views that we find unpleasant. What about all non Muslim racists, sexists, bigots? Do they just gat a free pass?

Well ok then, all Muslims including myself are terrorists

Not helpful, surely? Absolutely nobody's even suggested that all muslims are terrorists - doesn't claiming that they have encourage those who say many muslims like to portray themselves as victims??

Gemauve please tell me the letter's a hoax from some maniac ... please??

The attitude of an area being only for Moslems annoys me so much and it is not on as K says.

Yes there are bigots in every walk of life but if people want to come and live in the UK then they do need to integrate to some extent and make some effort.

Yes and I know about expats in Spain but they are not claiming areas to be no go and saying they hate the locals etc

We have tried to be kind and tolerant imo but it has to work both ways.

please tell me the letter's a hoax from some maniac

The BBC are now reporting it as presumed to be authentic.

Sounds like it's total PR spin, anyone could have written it. Not saying that these women don't agree but I doubt they penned those words. And the children definitely didn't.

Not saying that these women don't agree

Wrong family of twelve, I suspect.

I think all we can hope is that we never hear from or see that Luton family again. To me their actions are a complete betrayal of the country that took them in (i know the younger ones were born here) and gave them opportunities in education, healthcare and no doubt lots of money.

bite the hand that feeds you

Surely the elderly grandparents didn't go out of their own free will. That makes no sense at all.

Surely the elderly grandparents didn't go out of their own free will.

I would have thought that in this day and age it was hard to herd people on and off planes at gunpoint without being noticed. They are adults. How were they forced?

www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/us-france-shooting-hezbollah-idUSKBN0KI1OM20150109

The Shia, (clearly) disapprove of Daesh. There is one narrative which simply describes Daesh as those who throw the toys out of the pram because once they (the Sunni) were the ruling minority, and now, they're not. There is an interpretation of events that says this bloodletting is merely a cry for attention. (If that, rather uncharitable, view of the Islamists is correct, it does rather make fools of English Muslims going to Syria, because, in that case, this argument isn't about Syria; it's about the new Iraq.)