to wonder what benefits will get the chop from the £12 billion of cuts?

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Just that really. I'm wondering which benefits are going to go or be significantly cut. Anyone have any idea?

Giddy - we have moved up and down the country for education and work over teh last thirty years. That is NORMAL for many working people. Most people who work in London can't afford to live there. God knows why those who DON'T work think the rest of us should pay for them to do so!

'God knows why those who DON'T work think the rest of us should pay for them to do so!'

Did you miss the part about 80% of people who claim HB being in work?

Oh dear Sand. Have you just made a huge assumption?

"God, do some of you EVER expect people to take responsibility for their own lives, at all?"

Yes, as i stated above that is fine to take that attitude but is shows a huge misunderstanding of the way our economy works.

Huge profit making multi-national firms are given sweetheart deals on taxes, grants and subsidies for capital investment etc, all the while creaming their profits and directors pocket larger and larger remuneration packages.

MOST people on benefits are in work, or retired, society is not rewarding them for taking responsibility. The "responsibility" card is also negated by the fact that we are in the mess we are in because of private sector largesse, not public.

You want people want all the benefits of living in a society but none of the responsibility that goes with it.

Oh and when they come for something that's important to you, you will be spouting the unfairness of it all on here, just look at MN the day the £50 k cut off for CB was announced.

in real life i dont know hardly anybody that has moved their family to the other side of the Country

but then again most people i know are on low paid wages,0 hrs contract

the only people i can think that would move are high wage earners

longtimelurker101

We don't have children and DH is self employed. I am retired on an occupational pension that I worked full time for 34 years to attain. Our parents are dead.........

As for the rest of your post - it would all be true under Labour and as they have NOW said that the deficit must be addressed I presume you think that they know nothing about economics either......

So your Turkey/Christmas cliche is just that.... an overused cliche.

£23,000 per year for not working seems pretty reasonable to me. I really don't get why some people think that they're entitled to live off other peoples earnings.

Redbin - you include large btl landlords in that then?

longtime lurker - why should we believe you when you don't back your argument up with any logic or facts?

Apart from the almighty mess labour made of NHS wales, they didn't seem to come up with much in the way of improving the NHS other than increasing budgets.

So we move the poor out of London who will empty the bins, sweep the streets and work in supermarkets for minimum wage!!!

hits head on wall

£23k has to include high rents,and were not just talking London

"give me strength"

Most people who work in London can't afford to live there
So nurses, teachers, cleaners, shop workers. Should all commute in, should they? Difficult on a crap salary.
I don't live in London. A lot of people do commute but you need to be earning a good whack to afford it.

people want all the benefits of living in a society but none of the responsibility that goes with it.

Exactly longtimelurker101 - and that has got to change

Giddy*
Yes I do, large benefits payments encourage them to charge high rents.

for the uneducated high rents are not just London

many citys and towns command high rents,and as people seek cheaper rents they move out as well as others then the once cheaper area's become popular the rent also goes up

they cant win

Good.Let's address that issue at source rather than only taking it away from the recipient. Reduce the profits from btl, build homes to rent at low prices and you reduce the benefit bill.

BMW6

I think Labour have said that they would do something about the deficit because of the narrative presented by the right wing media and the Tories over the last 5 years.

Our national debt is in line with that of France and Germany, hugely smaller than that of Japan, low interest rates and long term borrowing is fine.

It would not be true under Labour, the public services would not be cut as far or as deep as they are about to be. In fact Labour said in the election that they were going to decrease inequality.

"I worked 34 years to earn" yes dear, and people of my age are paying in to occupational pensions in the public sector for decreased benefits but with increased contributions. Those people my age who are in private sector employment have no occupational pensions through their places of work available and save through their own volition. House prices and rent are higher, the cost of living is higher, wages have fallen in REAL terms. You may be retired but you benefited from the society you lived in to get to where you are, why deny others those benefits?

Hope you have private healthcare too, oh and that the equity in your house will allow you good quality private old age care, if not.. karma.

Cigarettes do not cost £9 odd. People have ways of getting cheap cigarettes and tobacco.

The cuts will likely be what most have said.

Working Tax Credits
DLA Payments
Child Benefit possibly
Maternity Allowance
Cuts for under 25s

None will affect their rich friends.

The attitudes shown by some on this are so depressing and show a complete lack of understanding of social justice or any intelligence at all really. The attitude that everyone is equally capable and 'I did it, why can't you' is so idiotic and sheltered it beggars belief. I work with the long term unemployed and can honestly say I have yet to meet one who is happy to be living on benefits and cutting the benefit cap is going to change sod all- they are not all going to miraculously become employable! All that is going to happen is increased pressure on food banks and more children on the child protection register or in care.

Er no, because, you know, rich people don't rely on benefits.

Rich pensioners still get them though. Until a few years ago rich people were getting child benefit.

Scarletts mummy - w eknow thayt some people will never hold down jobs. that is what the welfare state is for. But it should be basic . It shoudl not be ven as much as £23 K when millions don't earn that working full time.

Brutal cuts ARE needed. Welfare state dependency is fast becoming the norm and it's having a devastating effect on those who actually need it. They will make cuts and my guess is that a % of all of us will suffer somehow. Apart from those lucky enough to live completely without state help, obviously. The problem is that for some people it has become a mentality, not something to be grateful for. The world does not owe you a living and neither does the government.

Dreaming of sun:

The education budget has already been cut, Cameron admitted that his "guarantee of funding" was not going to be in real terms.

The NHS sell off has been part of their manifesto. The Wales issue is due to the funding from central government to the Welsh assembly being cut. It isn't a "Labour issue"

I dont know what they will do but what I would like them to do is

Reduce overseas aid and only give directly to registered charities, UNICEF/OXFAM etc so that any money is spent directly on those who need it.

Leave child benefit in place for those already in receipt of it for their children. Set a time limit, maybe 1 Janaury 2017, and say that they will only pay child benefit for the first two children. Parents then have a choice in the next 18 months to decide whether they wish to have more than 2. The parents should then take into account whether they could afford it if their circumstances change. Im a firm believer in the saying "If you make them, you pay for them"