to wonder what benefits will get the chop from the £12 billion of cuts?

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Just that really. I'm wondering which benefits are going to go or be significantly cut. Anyone have any idea?

That is way too high vivienne. That is weird though because we didn't qualify for wtc when we earned less than that and I was on maternity leave. Guess maternity leave couldn't have counted as working.

anywhere within a five mile radius of my home and see a huge amount of building happening. Honestly, there is shitloads. To the point that it's actually quite worrying because the infrastructure just isn't equipped to deal with so many more households.

sorry, but your first sentence isn't better evidence than national statistics. And if the infrastructure can't keep up, whose fault is that?

Sorry keepitsimple0 if you think the housing crisis is only 5 years old your definetly looking at this through partisan glasses and whitewashing 13 years of labour government.

It may have become a recent focal point, but even krugman was highlighting the effects of easy credit and the reliance on hpi during blairs later years, there where many,many articles around suggesting we need to address the problem, it's just that it was conveniently ignored by the majority of the electorate and government alike.

The difference between tory and labour house building policy during the election was that one side promised to build around ~20,000 more homes a year(iirc it was the tories - 200,000/180,000) which is still woefully inadequate to meet demand, especially considering most new builds are punted to overseas investors first, which also contradicts the recent mindset that this has only just started happening in the last 5 years.

They are both as shite on this situation as the other as there are to many VI's involved, haven't the Tories restricted the rights of nimbys to allow mass building?

This whitewashing of the previous government to the housing crisis is disingenuous at best.

@Just

Notice I never said anything positive about labour. I agree they were shite. my point is that the supposed saviours of the economy are even worse. Their 20000 promised extra houses (promises, promises, promises) will be effectively cancelled by their other brain dead policies, which pretty much every economist agrees will make the housing problem much worse.

Im not asking you to tell me your allegance, nor did I make the assumption as such, although it has become popular that vocal critics of the past coalition and current government are quick to distance themselves from labour whilst also ignoring the past decade, but I digress..

As for 'pretty much every economist' is again being partisan in your thinking, you can find many academic economists arguing which ever side of the coin you wish to believe.

As I said previously, the recent go to for the 'anyone but Tories' economist is Paul Krugman, yet he was largely ignored when he was highlighting the housing bubble and the banks easing of credit during labours reign.

I do agree however that the Tory policies on the housing crisis will make it worse, I'm coming from the angle that Labour would have been equally shit and it's not something that has suddenly happened because we have had a right leaning government. There where many indicators that this was going to happen, labour and the majority of the electorate chose to ignore it.

As for 'pretty much every economist' is again being partisan in your thinking, you can find many academic economists arguing which ever side of the coin you wish to believe.

really? Some think that help to buy will solve the housing crisis? Some think that selling off state assets at discount (i.e. right to buy) will help the housing crisis? although, you seem to agree with me below.

I do agree however that the Tory policies on the housing crisis will make it worse, I'm coming from the angle that Labour would have been equally shit and it's not something that has suddenly happened because we have had a right leaning government.

as I said, I am not saying labour did better. I am countering the view that the conservatives will save our economy. They won't unless they change this class warfare attitude. And, as you admit, if they stay the course, they will actively make our main problem, housing, considerably worse.

Seriously do people earning 65k get tax or wtc. I doubt it as they don't even get child benefit.

Our household income isn't even 3/4 of that, and after going through the gov website we don't get TC.

A very TINY number of people on £60k plus will get some tax credits - however those families will most likely have a combination of children with disabilities, parents with disabilities and other caring responsibilities.

Families who have children with disabilities are an entiirely separate issue. The £65K wasn't about extra tax credits for those families. From what I understand the cuts will not affect people with disabilities. But we shall have to wait and see. I think tax credits need to be cut for better off families who do not have a child with disabilities.. (Just to make it clear that I am not in favour of cuts to families who have children with disabilities.).

Viviennemary the protests in parliament yesterday, by disabled people, what was that about then? Cuts. The ILF is being stopped. This will ruin the lives of a significant number of people with disabilities.

The ILF is being stopped almost immediately isn't is Dawn? Absolutely hideous. Even if people had known the result of the election and they'd known this was coming, they had 7 weeks to work out how to live their lives with dignity.

July, I believe, that's next week!

The cuts have already affected disabled people. Disabled people will be hit by cuts to housing benefit tax credits child benefit council tax payments and so on.
I've been really upset and all of coverage of closure to independent living fund yes the money goes with them for one year only, but it's not ring fenced.
Often that each stretched council who already have more more elderly people to cover each year while getting less from the government main pot will have to pay all the bills.
Although it's not huge amount of disabled people it does effect it should be the very last thing that should be cut when all else has failed. I'm in my 30s I don't get quite as much support but if I did and it was slashed I would have to go into some sort of care home or get so rationed care In My home my life would not be worth living. Anyone could wake up morning with sudden illness , your loving partner could walk out and you to could be left at mercy of the state. Not quite as easy then to say well the country is broke so you must pay the biggest cost.

Thanks Dawn. Wednesday it is. Awful.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/26/mental-health-protest-clinic-jobcentre-streatham?CMP=share_btn_tw

Sorry..couldn't resist it.

I think they can probably only get wtc if they pay for childcare.

Adam Hills and co will be covering the Tory cuts on The Last Leg on Channel 4 now.

I missed the programme, didn't know it was on.

what did they say in general?