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...to think my inlaws are creepy in a twilight zone sort of way?

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Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 04:20

I can't believe the weird situation we are in with my inlaws. We are not speaking to them and I'm not sure if our relationship with them is even salvageable. They say they are loving Christians (so are we) but their behaviour is anything but. Forgive me if I ramble, or "drip feed" or get muddled, I'm not sure where to begin.

For background, my sil (married to my husband's brother) has made little digs at me since I married dh. One example is when she told me the inlaws didn't approve of dh marrying me because I hadn't finished my degree, chuckling as she said this as if disguising her dig with humour. I truly was not offended by this at the time and ignored her remarks thinking we'd get to know each other and all would be well.

Sil had two miscarriages, both of them happened very early in the pregnancies, and my dh and I supported her during that time. When I got pregnant later on, my dh and I were very careful to share the news with sil and bil, and mil, quietly and with sensitivity, without any air of celebration or anything like that. We had hoped for a child ourselves for a very long time and finally got pregnant after nine years of marriage.

A few months into my pregnancy, my sil called me to say she wished something would happen to my baby, saying it matter of factly. She killed my joy. I can't express how much her saying that hurt me to the core. She said she resented my nickname; sil is a Disney fan and while my nickname is the same as a Disney princess, it has nothing to do with Disney or princesses, it is something my brothers have always called me since I was little and everyone at work calls me, including dh. Sil said she considered herself ***, the Disney princess, even fixing her hair to look like her, and that I was to be relegated to another (lesser) princess, ArielI know! it's nuts!!it was like she wanted to set me straight that the name belonged to her and it didn't matter that I'd had the name since I was four or five years old. She also said my dh would do anything for me even stand on his head...she said it accusingly and I could not understand why she said it that way, I wouldn't have thought she would be jealous of my relationship with dh, it seemed to me that her husband was devoted to her as well. I let her rail at me because I felt her miscarriages in the past had a bearing on her behaviour. Unknown to me at the time, she knew when she rang me that she was pregnant too, as I was, and her child was born three months after our child. I went to the hospital to support her when her daughter was born. She did not come to see our son until months afterward, but again, I knew she had difficult feelings to deal with and hoped she would soften toward me.

Things improved somewhat over the years, she became friendly even, to the point that I allowed her to be ds's music teacher. My husband and I thought she would develop a bond with our son and that it would foster in her genuine good will toward him. To add, because I think it is relevant, dh's family are singers and/or can play instruments, dh is a trained singer and is very good.

As ds got close to his solo recital for completion of the first level of the program he was taking under sil, sil began making insinuations, saying she loved how different her students were, using ds as an example of "trying hard" while her other students were musical and had natural gifts. Her dd was also taking lessons at the time too and I think sil is a competitive person and she resented our ds doing well. I kept most of her remarks to myself, I am a private person generally, and I did not want to cause trouble within dh's family. Dh and I had had conversations over the years about our strained relationship with sil, but I see now how much I kept to myself because I wanted so badly to keep the peace.

Two weeks before ds's recital, my mil came over while dh was at work and told me that at one of the family dinners when dh's uncle asked ds to perform she said "I knew I had to stop that because it would be a bad idea. Now if he had asked (the other gc--sil's dd), that would have been great," and she chuckled, just like sil when she's making an insult but doesn't want to get called on it. I didn't know what to say. I managed to say something like I didn't kids being put into categories, I probably was not very coherent, but she could surely tell I was surprised and hurt, and she made no effort to clarify.

The recital went well, ds played everything from memory and musically, he also played a piece on the violin as a duet with his best friend who plays the cello (ds asked to take violin lessons a few months before the recital so we let him add that instrument and he enjoys it), and he sang a song with his dad. His friends and our family were there. The uncle on dh's side of the family who is supportive of ds wasn't there because he is at a facility and mil acted strangely and said she wasn't bringing him, as if she didn't want him there.

A couple of weeks after that we had another family dinner at mil's. Sil insinuated again, very brazenly this time, that poor little ds didn't have any talent in music, and too bad that he had failed the program he was in! The same program he had just completed his recital in!?! I suddenly had had enough. I asked her to clarify what she was saying, and she put her hand on mine, shook her head, and repeated that ds had no talent, none, as in 0%. We were still at the table, everyone else had gone into the living room, and my ds and her dd were running around the house playing. He could have overheard what she saying, so I asked to have a private conversation with her upstairs, in mil's bedroom. She started saying all sorts of things about ds, one of which was that her colleagues would refuse to teach somebody like ds and that she was the only person who would even give him lessons...I couldn't believe she could be so malicious. She said many many things about how untalented ds was, it was sad. A few times her dd burst in from playing and looked at sil and nodded her head and made the ok sign and said approvingly, "I know what you're talking about, mom."

I went downstairs and sat next to dh on the sofa and told him what sil said. He said, wow. Bil and sil followed me in there and bil said sil was just being honest and that they just want the best for our ds. Bil said that just because ds can play pieces musically (at his recital) it doesn't mean he is musical. He said I needed to lower my expectations for ds. Bil said to me, are your expectations way up here (he put his hand up in the air) or are they down here (his hand down very low, below his knee (!!)) where they should be and where ds is?

My ds also drew the artwork for the cover of the recital program. He is pretty good at drawing, music and art are his two things, I would say. His art teacher wrote "masters class skills" on his report card. I say this because bil then said, it's like being able to draw but not being artistic.

So bil was able to double insult my son with that one statement.

My dh and I were speechless. Sil said again that she was just being honest, that I had "asked" for it (I did not).

I said to sil, you know, when I was pregnant and you told me you wished something would happen to our baby, that hurt me.

Sil patted my arm and said, I was just being open with you.

Dh told her she was no longer ds's teacher. Sil had the nerve to turn to me, as if appealing to me, and said, don't you think I should still teach ds? and I said, after what you've said about ds? and she looked at me as if she was confused, like, what did I do?

Meanwhile, mil was hiding out in the kitchen.

We collected ds and went home.

Over the next several days, we got texts and calls from bil and sil acting like nothing had happened beyond "setting us straight" which was right and proper in their eyes. Mil left a message on my phone saying, it's in the Lord's hands, and that she was praying for us.

After about a month of this garbage, Dh wrote a letter to bil, sil, and mil explaining that what sil and bil said about ds was hurtful and not true, basically putting it clearly how he and I felt about what they said. I wrote a letter to mil telling her exactly what was said and asking her what she thought about ds.

(To add again for context, ds is not mozart, but he is definitely not 100% devoid of any talent whatsoever like sil and bil are arguing. He sings in the choir at his school, his violin teacher thought he should audition for our city's symphony youth orchestra which he did and he got in the first violin section in the middle of the section. His violin teacher came to see ds sing in a play where he was chosen to sing the lead part and says what sil said about ds is not true and that sil's claim that her colleagues would refuse to teach ds is absolutely outrageous. It is not like they were giving us helpful advice, which would have been fine. They made these malicious statements, blanket statements labeling ds. He was eight years old and doing very well.This is not even about music really, they are using that because they feel ds is encroaching on their territory or something.)

Bil began barraging dh with texts, emails, letters, and voicemails insisting that he and sil are right and we are wrong, insisting we agree and accept what they're saying, and that we are terrible people. It is unbelievable the abusive things bil has said in these voicemails and emails, etc. He always adds at the end that he continues to pray for us (that we will accept the "unfortunate truth" about our son?) Dh has not responded to any of these messages, because he sent that letter at the beginning which bil completely ignored and denied. It doesn't seem possible to even talk to them at all, it wouldn't do any good. If I had insulted someone's child, I would apologize. Dh and I would never, ever say to any child (or adult for that matter) the things they said about our ds.

My mil responded to my letter with a short, cold, and cruel statement, "It was painful to read how wounded you are. I have no words to utter to take away your pain. I pray that God cares for you."

I never would have believed the level of malice or whatever it is driving them to do this.

Sorry this is so terribly long. There is more, but I'm tired, will post rest later. basically we have tried to ignore them.

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BlackbirdOnTheWire · 13/06/2015 13:34

If I was you, OP, I think I'd probably turn to the OT Christianity and practise an eye for an eye...

In the next conversation with MIL, I'd be sure to drop in just HOW much DS had improved since finding a new music teacher, how the improvement had been noticed by so many people and how everyone had commented how poor his previous teacher must have been to have suppressed so much natural talent. But of course, teaching really doesn't come naturally to everyone, does it, [MN tinkly laugh]. Such a shame that MIL couldn't persuade BIL to find a decent teacher for DN, obviously nobody would expect her to do as well as DS, but you're sure she could at least make an orchestra (or appropriate insult just above her current level) somewhere, and you'll pray for her to find as good a teacher as your DS now has.

Then run like hell and watch the fireworks from a safe distance Grin.

Seriously, I think the only ways of dealing with such crazy people are either to totally ignore (and not get worked up about it, so block emails, phone numbers etc so you don't receive the communication in the first place) - or to have some fun at their expense, turn it into a joke and wind them all up a bit more. Tell your friends, then tell your MIL that your friends find BIL and SIL hilarious and are desperate to meet them. Mount all your MIL's cards in a big poster frame and make them look ridiculous. Sometimes it's easier to deal with horrible behaviour if you can see the funny side. Then tell MN about it so we can laugh too.

TheSoulCakeDuck · 13/06/2015 15:23

Reading this I agree with the other posters who said this could be due to your changing church denominations. the jealousy from you SIL was probably always there, your leaving their particular church has served to magnify it and give her cover to vent it within the family. I'm guessing from you posts you are in America, are you in a particularly bible belt area? If so, is there pressure coming from the church community for them to put pressure on you and she is using your DS and his music as a proxy? Doesn't excuse the behaviour but it might explain it a bit.

I agree with other posters, no contact and consider restraining orders if necessary

VivaLeBeaver · 13/06/2015 15:42

My mother is a "loving Christian" who spends all her time putting down and being critical of me, Dh, dd and my brother and his family.

We're all now NC with her.

She of course is convinced she's right and we're all nasty to her. That she only tells us stuff because she loves us. She spends her entire bitter life now moaning to her church cronies that we're nasty to her, totally unreasonable and have abandoned a poor, lonely pensioner.

liquidrevolution · 13/06/2015 16:08

If they contact you again say the classic mumsnet line - fuck off to the far side of fuck off and then fuck off some more.

Who cares if your DS is musical or not? He is happy and that is all a parent can want. I honestly cannot believe how awful they are and really feel for your DH who must feel very let down by his family.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 13/06/2015 16:17

Tell them that you can no longer have involvement with them as it is against your Christian faith to socialise with Satanists.

roomwithabroom · 13/06/2015 16:25

It might not just be you had the first child but you had the first boy.

Standing behind their religion as an excuse for their behaviour is pure cowardice. I hope you don't share a church with them?

I haven't prayed for a long time but I was always told prayer was a conversation. Even if you don't believe there is anything coming back going through things in your mind (essentially prayer) gives you the time to think them through properly and resolve them. However if all you do if repeat the same sanctimonious shit that you use to justify your crappy behaviour and come out even more smug your religion is probably narcissism.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/06/2015 16:43

OP, your description of their collective behaviour reminded me of something I read years ago, couldn't put my hand on it, but googling I found groupthink. Does this sound familiar to you?

Muldjewangk · 13/06/2015 17:21

Besides being unhinged they are extremely jealous your son has more talent than their daughter. They sound dangerous, I wouldn't want them near my ds. I would be arranging for a Restraining Order ASAP, you have enough proof of their harassment with the texts and emails they have sent.

I have also found some people are just weird. You can't talk sense into them because they have no concept of what they are doing is wrong.

Good luck Lasha you really have landed amongst ILs from another planet.

quietbatperson · 13/06/2015 17:40

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TaliZorahVasNormandy · 13/06/2015 17:44

BIL probably thought he'd be the one to carry on the family name.

StaircaseAtTheUniversity · 13/06/2015 17:57

Another one saying you must go NC. They're clearly not nice people and you don't need that around your children, family or not.

ThisTimeIAmMagic · 13/06/2015 17:58

Have nothing to do with these mad bastards. Your life will be so much better without them in it.

You aren't in Northern Ireland are you? I lived there for two years (admittedly a long time ago) and I met some truly hateful 'Christians'. Cut throat, competitive and loved putting other people in their place while hiding behind the whole I'll pray for you thing. Eh no fuck off with your prayers you toxic nutters and rest assured that if there was a God he'd be disowning you lot at speed!

ROARmeow · 13/06/2015 21:06

OP, the one thing I'm dying to know: does SIL still refer to herself as the Disney Princess name? does her DD have a Disney name?

I need to know!

PeppermintCrayon · 14/06/2015 01:12

What. The.

Call 101 and ask to report under protection from harassment act. Police will put an injunction thingie out.

Lashalicious · 14/06/2015 04:15

Roarmeow, I've never heard anyone call her that, and beyond dd dressing as princesses, like a lot do, I don't know of a specific one.

Sil made a big deal of showing me a special Disney doll that she has that is the same princess as my nickname as if that proved something. I just said that's neat, etc.

Ironically the store at the mall that she followed us intoI'm guessing they'd been in there and had just left when she saw us go in and she followed us back inwas the Disney store. We never go to the mall, we were going to the theater near there and had some time and ds asked to go and look in there. The last thing we wanted was to run into her there or anywhere else. We haven't been back since, it's a place we go maybe once a year or so for ds.
We are in the US.

Thank you for the support. When I get on the laptop it will be easier to reply.

And yes, I looked at the groupthink link and it sounds similar. I am afraid of what they will do next, I know that sounds silly. I wouldn't put anything past sil or bil at this point. I think sil has told lies and insinuations over the years, she lied at the mall about some of the things she had said before about ds trying to make it seem she hadn't been so brutal. She and bil are skilled at how they persuade and twist things. When I look back I can see little things she's said that kind of give me chills, I think she's hated me since the beginning. At least I am very thankful that sil and bil screwed up and said all that garbage in front of him....I knew I didn't feel good will from sil but we didn't realize the extent until that night.

Seeing your replies, I understand how truly awful they've been...I am still FB friends with mil, though a few months after all this happened it struck me that sil and bil could probably look at my page anytime, they probably have mil's login. So I restricted it so mil can't see my page. I should just delete her and not feel guilty about it. Her profile pic is of her and myself at a restaurant smiling and happy. She, and sil and bil are repulsive to me.

OP posts:
Lashalicious · 14/06/2015 04:21

Meant to say, I'm thankful sil and bil screwed up and said all that garbage about ds in front of dh. We were too shocked though to challenge them when it happened, they acted like it was the most normal thing in the world.

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Nettymaniaa · 14/06/2015 07:32

Send them a moonpig card telling them to fuck the fuck off. They are all suffering from some weird group delusion. Don't emgage with it. I would be hoping when she was teaching your son that none of this was played out in front of him.

lavenderhoney · 14/06/2015 09:23

They don't sound the sort of people to take too much notice if a restraining order. They don't give a fuck what the neighbours think.

Personally I would move far, far away because it sounds like you live in a small town and you may have years of this heading your way.

Your ds has already commented favourably you're sticking up for him, in the mall incident. This is good- he needs to know you will keep him safe and won't allow them back into your lives. He's had years of it too and without you there to shut them up during music lessons or time alone with them, even a walk during a picnic.

He sure doesn't want it to continue. Or start up again. Make sure he doesn't believe their bile. Engaging with them at all may reinforce you think they are right. Clearly they aren't, but a young boy - they wouldnt perhaps know how to deal with it all.

I do feel for you, and you're very lucky your dh is aware they are a fucking nightmare and knowns you'll all be happier with nc.

Meerka · 14/06/2015 10:28

I think you're right, she's going to be spreading poison a very long time.

I also think she'll take it out on your son if she can. Do her child and your son go to school together or do any activities in common? Can you keep them as far apart as possible?

btw, you must have been a perfect target for her not because of you but because of your role as her SIL. But people like this have generally practised their poisonous skills a long time. It probably isn't personal and if you do ever fully escape, she'll probably turn on someone else ... just as she turned on you when you arrived on the horizon.

cozietoesie · 14/06/2015 11:10

If you're in the US, it should be pretty straightforward to get a restraining order - I think you can do it yourself down at the courthouse although this may actually be one for getting some legal advice if you can afford it.

One of the other US Mumsnetters may also be able to link you to somewhere that that can help you on this one. I would definitely take legal action on this and as soon as you can organize it. (I appreciate what lavenderhoney said but a restraining order can be enforced by the police and also is good to have on record in the event of problems.)

hackmum · 14/06/2015 11:27

This is one of the weirdest things I've ever read on MN. (And is it just me, or are other MNetters dying to know what the Disney princess name is?)

The strange thing about it is not that the SIL is clearly deranged - my own SIL is pretty deranged; there seem to be a lot of them about - but that she seems to have brought her husband and MIL round to her way of thinking. That is rather creepy.

I assume that it is an extreme case of jealousy - that for some reason SIL is jealous of your DS and this is why she has to make the remarks about his supposed lack of musical talent. Any idea why she is so jealous? I'm guessing that your DS is more talented musically than her DD but perhaps he is also better-looking, cleverer, more likeable?

I agree completely about going NC. I would also try to move as far away from them as you possibly can.

trulyscrumptious33 · 14/06/2015 11:32

OP I am a music and singing teacher at a very prestigious school. If I taught an 8 year who could play more than one instrument and put on recitals, I would think that there is a huge amount of potential there.

Please don't let him catch wind of their comments as it could really shake his confidence and affect his enjoyment of these disciplines.

As long as he works hard at singing and music, he really could blossom into a wonderful talent...we are certainly not born being able to play instruments effortlessly, or sing flawlessly. Being musical comes from years of practice and passion for expressing oneself.

Don't allow him to study with her anymore!!

hackmum · 14/06/2015 11:43

truly - just to add to that, I'm sure you're right, but I am also 100% certain that the SiL's comments were intended entirely maliciously. I don't believe for one moment that she really thinks the DS has no musical talent, as it's quite clear from what the OP has written that he does. A complete lack of musical ability is very rare, and certainly an eight-year old with no musical talent would be incapable of playing and performing publicly on two instruments, let alone of playing stuff by ear.

cozietoesie · 14/06/2015 12:01

I'm not sure his talent is really relevant - except inasmuch as it gives her some notional 'in' to his life. (He's not likly to be another Vengerov (few are) but just having the ability to play and sing will - if nothing else - give him great joy in later life and will greatly enhance his appreciation of music.)

I suspect that anything he did well would come in for negative criticism once they'd found some sort of hook to hang it on. It sounds as if they're just bad people who are grinding away now they've found what they think is the OP's Achilles' Heel.

She and her family would be well shot of them.

trulyscrumptious33 · 14/06/2015 12:22

Absolutely hackmum . I sincerely hope that the sil hasn't been airing her comments to the OP's DS during the music lessons. These things can knock self-confidence quite considerably at such a young age. Keep reassuring and encouraging him OP.

cosietoesie I'm sure you're right that the sil would criticise any activity anyway.

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