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...to think my inlaws are creepy in a twilight zone sort of way?

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Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 04:20

I can't believe the weird situation we are in with my inlaws. We are not speaking to them and I'm not sure if our relationship with them is even salvageable. They say they are loving Christians (so are we) but their behaviour is anything but. Forgive me if I ramble, or "drip feed" or get muddled, I'm not sure where to begin.

For background, my sil (married to my husband's brother) has made little digs at me since I married dh. One example is when she told me the inlaws didn't approve of dh marrying me because I hadn't finished my degree, chuckling as she said this as if disguising her dig with humour. I truly was not offended by this at the time and ignored her remarks thinking we'd get to know each other and all would be well.

Sil had two miscarriages, both of them happened very early in the pregnancies, and my dh and I supported her during that time. When I got pregnant later on, my dh and I were very careful to share the news with sil and bil, and mil, quietly and with sensitivity, without any air of celebration or anything like that. We had hoped for a child ourselves for a very long time and finally got pregnant after nine years of marriage.

A few months into my pregnancy, my sil called me to say she wished something would happen to my baby, saying it matter of factly. She killed my joy. I can't express how much her saying that hurt me to the core. She said she resented my nickname; sil is a Disney fan and while my nickname is the same as a Disney princess, it has nothing to do with Disney or princesses, it is something my brothers have always called me since I was little and everyone at work calls me, including dh. Sil said she considered herself ***, the Disney princess, even fixing her hair to look like her, and that I was to be relegated to another (lesser) princess, ArielI know! it's nuts!!it was like she wanted to set me straight that the name belonged to her and it didn't matter that I'd had the name since I was four or five years old. She also said my dh would do anything for me even stand on his head...she said it accusingly and I could not understand why she said it that way, I wouldn't have thought she would be jealous of my relationship with dh, it seemed to me that her husband was devoted to her as well. I let her rail at me because I felt her miscarriages in the past had a bearing on her behaviour. Unknown to me at the time, she knew when she rang me that she was pregnant too, as I was, and her child was born three months after our child. I went to the hospital to support her when her daughter was born. She did not come to see our son until months afterward, but again, I knew she had difficult feelings to deal with and hoped she would soften toward me.

Things improved somewhat over the years, she became friendly even, to the point that I allowed her to be ds's music teacher. My husband and I thought she would develop a bond with our son and that it would foster in her genuine good will toward him. To add, because I think it is relevant, dh's family are singers and/or can play instruments, dh is a trained singer and is very good.

As ds got close to his solo recital for completion of the first level of the program he was taking under sil, sil began making insinuations, saying she loved how different her students were, using ds as an example of "trying hard" while her other students were musical and had natural gifts. Her dd was also taking lessons at the time too and I think sil is a competitive person and she resented our ds doing well. I kept most of her remarks to myself, I am a private person generally, and I did not want to cause trouble within dh's family. Dh and I had had conversations over the years about our strained relationship with sil, but I see now how much I kept to myself because I wanted so badly to keep the peace.

Two weeks before ds's recital, my mil came over while dh was at work and told me that at one of the family dinners when dh's uncle asked ds to perform she said "I knew I had to stop that because it would be a bad idea. Now if he had asked (the other gc--sil's dd), that would have been great," and she chuckled, just like sil when she's making an insult but doesn't want to get called on it. I didn't know what to say. I managed to say something like I didn't kids being put into categories, I probably was not very coherent, but she could surely tell I was surprised and hurt, and she made no effort to clarify.

The recital went well, ds played everything from memory and musically, he also played a piece on the violin as a duet with his best friend who plays the cello (ds asked to take violin lessons a few months before the recital so we let him add that instrument and he enjoys it), and he sang a song with his dad. His friends and our family were there. The uncle on dh's side of the family who is supportive of ds wasn't there because he is at a facility and mil acted strangely and said she wasn't bringing him, as if she didn't want him there.

A couple of weeks after that we had another family dinner at mil's. Sil insinuated again, very brazenly this time, that poor little ds didn't have any talent in music, and too bad that he had failed the program he was in! The same program he had just completed his recital in!?! I suddenly had had enough. I asked her to clarify what she was saying, and she put her hand on mine, shook her head, and repeated that ds had no talent, none, as in 0%. We were still at the table, everyone else had gone into the living room, and my ds and her dd were running around the house playing. He could have overheard what she saying, so I asked to have a private conversation with her upstairs, in mil's bedroom. She started saying all sorts of things about ds, one of which was that her colleagues would refuse to teach somebody like ds and that she was the only person who would even give him lessons...I couldn't believe she could be so malicious. She said many many things about how untalented ds was, it was sad. A few times her dd burst in from playing and looked at sil and nodded her head and made the ok sign and said approvingly, "I know what you're talking about, mom."

I went downstairs and sat next to dh on the sofa and told him what sil said. He said, wow. Bil and sil followed me in there and bil said sil was just being honest and that they just want the best for our ds. Bil said that just because ds can play pieces musically (at his recital) it doesn't mean he is musical. He said I needed to lower my expectations for ds. Bil said to me, are your expectations way up here (he put his hand up in the air) or are they down here (his hand down very low, below his knee (!!)) where they should be and where ds is?

My ds also drew the artwork for the cover of the recital program. He is pretty good at drawing, music and art are his two things, I would say. His art teacher wrote "masters class skills" on his report card. I say this because bil then said, it's like being able to draw but not being artistic.

So bil was able to double insult my son with that one statement.

My dh and I were speechless. Sil said again that she was just being honest, that I had "asked" for it (I did not).

I said to sil, you know, when I was pregnant and you told me you wished something would happen to our baby, that hurt me.

Sil patted my arm and said, I was just being open with you.

Dh told her she was no longer ds's teacher. Sil had the nerve to turn to me, as if appealing to me, and said, don't you think I should still teach ds? and I said, after what you've said about ds? and she looked at me as if she was confused, like, what did I do?

Meanwhile, mil was hiding out in the kitchen.

We collected ds and went home.

Over the next several days, we got texts and calls from bil and sil acting like nothing had happened beyond "setting us straight" which was right and proper in their eyes. Mil left a message on my phone saying, it's in the Lord's hands, and that she was praying for us.

After about a month of this garbage, Dh wrote a letter to bil, sil, and mil explaining that what sil and bil said about ds was hurtful and not true, basically putting it clearly how he and I felt about what they said. I wrote a letter to mil telling her exactly what was said and asking her what she thought about ds.

(To add again for context, ds is not mozart, but he is definitely not 100% devoid of any talent whatsoever like sil and bil are arguing. He sings in the choir at his school, his violin teacher thought he should audition for our city's symphony youth orchestra which he did and he got in the first violin section in the middle of the section. His violin teacher came to see ds sing in a play where he was chosen to sing the lead part and says what sil said about ds is not true and that sil's claim that her colleagues would refuse to teach ds is absolutely outrageous. It is not like they were giving us helpful advice, which would have been fine. They made these malicious statements, blanket statements labeling ds. He was eight years old and doing very well.This is not even about music really, they are using that because they feel ds is encroaching on their territory or something.)

Bil began barraging dh with texts, emails, letters, and voicemails insisting that he and sil are right and we are wrong, insisting we agree and accept what they're saying, and that we are terrible people. It is unbelievable the abusive things bil has said in these voicemails and emails, etc. He always adds at the end that he continues to pray for us (that we will accept the "unfortunate truth" about our son?) Dh has not responded to any of these messages, because he sent that letter at the beginning which bil completely ignored and denied. It doesn't seem possible to even talk to them at all, it wouldn't do any good. If I had insulted someone's child, I would apologize. Dh and I would never, ever say to any child (or adult for that matter) the things they said about our ds.

My mil responded to my letter with a short, cold, and cruel statement, "It was painful to read how wounded you are. I have no words to utter to take away your pain. I pray that God cares for you."

I never would have believed the level of malice or whatever it is driving them to do this.

Sorry this is so terribly long. There is more, but I'm tired, will post rest later. basically we have tried to ignore them.

OP posts:
SnotQueen · 13/06/2015 07:10

Cut them out. Don't let their jealousy and insecurity affect your DS.
They sound absolutely terrible.

Aussiemum78 · 13/06/2015 07:12

That's utterly awful. Your son sounds like he has an ear for music, as well as a passion for it - your SIL is toxic - even if a child has no talent but has passion you let them enjoy their interests. And encourage them.

I'd be getting a restraining order. Not respecting your boundaries sounds toxic. As is the hiding behind god while bullying.

It sounds like jealousy to me.

VivaLeBeaver · 13/06/2015 07:32

I would consider calling the police. That level of calls is harassment. You've made it perfectly clear you don't want contact.

Please don't be bullied into contact with them down the line, or resume relations because you feel guilty. This sort of shit will carry on forever. They all sound totally toxic.

Annabannbobanna · 13/06/2015 07:35

You are more upset that she said your child was talentless than when she wished harm on your unborn child? She should have been binned many many years ago.

code · 13/06/2015 07:40

Second getting a restraining order, this is harassment, they sound totally unhinged.

VivaLeBeaver · 13/06/2015 07:41

I could come with a SIL saying my dd was talentless if it was true.

But from what you've said it certainly doesn't seem true. But more importantly she seems to be doing it to try and upset you, and seems to be revelling in hurting you.

VivaLeBeaver · 13/06/2015 07:41

I could cope

ollieplimsoles · 13/06/2015 07:43

Op two words: NO CONTACT!!

Ffs I would have cut them out just after my wedding if I were you, if not there then definitely the phone call about your baby would have done it.

They are bullies, and lunatics. Do they think just because they are religious they can say whatever they like and its ok because they are 'praying for you'?!

These people would get no where near my child. Whole family is a mess and needs cutting off. Although I would have to get her back in some way for all the crap over the years... Then go nc.

KERALA1 · 13/06/2015 07:45

Very odd people. Am sure he is good at music but even if he wasn't he enjoys playing and people enjoy listening so the fact maybe he won't be a professional is utterly irrelevant.

Due to past experience I am wary of people who make a big song and dance about their religion - the look how good I am i am praying for you pious little smiles type. They often turn out to be anything but. The really good ones quietly get on with it.

ErinBlockerBitch · 13/06/2015 07:45

Agree that they are unhinged.

Incidentally, how can you play an instrument but not be musical? Or draw but not be artistic? That is a very strange statement to make.

CuppaSarah · 13/06/2015 07:48

Who could say such awful things about any child? Yes some children are interested in things they might not be naturally talented at(which obviously isn't even the case here, your ds sounds amazingly talented) but to say they have no talent and most people would refuse to teach them?! What about the masses of little girls doing ballet? How many of then are natural ballerinas? Does that mean they shouldn't enjoy something fun that they like? Or shouldn't be taught? How many kids take swimming lessons and how many of them are expecting to be Olympic swimmers? Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to swim?

Why the hell would someone's natural level of talent dictate whether or not they should be allowed to do anything? What sort of person would ever, ever consider an opinion like this? I'm certain no bloody Disney princess would! What vile nasty people. You can't say something awful, then when people react, then call it gods will. I don't think any God has elitist after school activities on his list if prioritiesHmm

KERALA1 · 13/06/2015 07:52

Lol cuppa about gods interest in after school activities!

BumpTheElephant · 13/06/2015 07:58

WTF???? Even if your ds had "no talent" it would be utterly wrong to say it and if he enjoys music there'd be no harm at all in him continuing. You don't have to be super musically talented to learn an instrument!
It sounds like your ds is a talented musician though and they're just really jealous or something. They sou nd really really strange and nasty and I wouldn't bother having any contact with them.

BumpTheElephant · 13/06/2015 08:03

As for wishing harm on an unborn baby, just Shock. I'd have cut contact after that tbh.

rumbleinthrjungle · 13/06/2015 08:04

The phrase you're looking for is the magic FOTTFSOF. Life is too short for tolerating batshit of this kind, you can't fix it, you won't be able to make sense of it, and you'll get nothing out of trying.

Frankly I'd have written SiL off at that terrible comment to you in your pregnancy.

blueBooby · 13/06/2015 08:10

Bloody hell. They sound nuts. Particularly bil and sil. Did your dh have problems with his parents and brother when he was growing up?

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 08:13

Ha!! I agree too Cuppa! And with the other posters too. To the one asking about caring more about the insult than the wishing ill to my ds, yes you're right, of course the death wish is 1000 times worse! I think I was trying at the time to understand how her mc made her say something irrational and awful...

The petty insults actually made me realize that she's always had ill will toward my son since the beginning and that it wasn't the mc talking, that is actually how she is all the time, back then and now. I assumed all this time that she regretted and was sorry for wishing something would happen to our baby, but the extreme statements she made about ds's music and then the worst, when I saw that she STILL thinks it was fine for her to wish death, she dismisses it as just being open with me, I mean there are no words to express the horror really of how that hit us. It explains the bad feeling I got when we all went to the mountains the summer before "the dinner" (thanksgiving dinner!!) to celebrate bils birthday (ugh, yes, I know) and I'm helping dh with the charcoals and grill and I see bil in the distance leading my son off through the trees and the thought flashed through my mind, lamb being led to the slaughter. I think sil's death wish has been in my subconscious and I simply don't trust them. I watched with my eyes peeled and anxious until I saw my ds come back safe and sound.

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TestingTestingWonTooFree · 13/06/2015 08:19

She sounds like a complete cow. She won't change. Ditch them forever.

GloGirl · 13/06/2015 08:20

Hands up who else read open mouthed in shock and then burst out laughing at MILs response of "I'll pray".

I actually pray myself but that really tickled me.

It is a great credit to your son that he accomplished so much even under your SILs tutelage.

Fwiw, I imagine that they have been jealous for years about your son's musicality and tried to console themselves with the fact that whilst their daughter is not as technically able she feels the music better Hmm

They are totally batshit bonkers. Don't dwell any longer on their opinions any more than you would the people who truly believe the Royal Family are lizard people.

Myricales · 13/06/2015 08:22

Just because people call themselves Christians doesn't stop them from being obnoxious.

In fact, obnoxious people like being Christians, because they can hide their unpleasant behaviour behind their Christianity.

In normal families, behaviour like this would result in contact being reduced to a bare minimum; why on earth were you in contact with people who wished your unborn child harm anyway? Why didn't you call them on the farce of them calling themselves Christian after that? The sister in law is obvious barking mad (the stuff about Disney princesses isn't charming or eccentric, it's pathetic and stupid) and her husband enables her. Just don't bother with them.

Their religion convinces them that they are good, indeed better, people. They're obnoxious and stupid. Leave them to it. And if your mother in law wants to play with them, leave her to it as well. The whole lot of them will be deeply toxic for your child, and I personally wouldn't permit any contact to protect your child.

ChanandlerBongsNeighbour · 13/06/2015 08:23

Wow, they are from another planet!! You are doing the right thing, for your son and your sanity!!

LaurieFairyCake · 13/06/2015 08:25

They are incredibly jealous that your son is born first.

You have to drop ALL of them as I think they wish your son harm.

I bet money they will see a solicitor to try and get access to your son if you drop them.

You MUST drop them.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 13/06/2015 08:31

Your last post is creepy re 'bil leading ds through the trees' 'lamb to the slaughter', etc.

I'm not suggesting for one moment they'd have physically hurt him but they sound determined to keep putting him down and won't let go.

I think the whole relationship with that family is completely broken down and I wouldn't let them within touching distance of my children.

AnastasiaBrown · 13/06/2015 08:32

OP - Please type 'Narcissistic Personality Disorder' into Google and then come back on here and tell us if SIL and perhaps BIL and MIL fit the criteria. If so then you need to take a big step back. It's Toxic. I know as my DM has NPD. I could never understand why she was so jealous of the love my DCs had for me - she expected them to love her more until I realised what the problem was. Low self esteem is at the root of NPD and it manifests itself as utter arrogance and lack of empathy and immense jealousy. You must protect your DS. Don't tell your ILs anything about DS's skills. Just stay away. Ask them (in writing) to cease harrassing you or else you will have to seek for that by legal means. I had to go NC with my DM for several months in order to protect my DCs. It is very sad, but unfortunately you will NEVER get people with NPD to see what they are doing is wrong.

Myricales · 13/06/2015 08:33

"I bet money they will see a solicitor to try and get access to your son if you drop them."

What, as uncle and aunt? Now that would be a thing to see.

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