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...to think my inlaws are creepy in a twilight zone sort of way?

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Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 04:20

I can't believe the weird situation we are in with my inlaws. We are not speaking to them and I'm not sure if our relationship with them is even salvageable. They say they are loving Christians (so are we) but their behaviour is anything but. Forgive me if I ramble, or "drip feed" or get muddled, I'm not sure where to begin.

For background, my sil (married to my husband's brother) has made little digs at me since I married dh. One example is when she told me the inlaws didn't approve of dh marrying me because I hadn't finished my degree, chuckling as she said this as if disguising her dig with humour. I truly was not offended by this at the time and ignored her remarks thinking we'd get to know each other and all would be well.

Sil had two miscarriages, both of them happened very early in the pregnancies, and my dh and I supported her during that time. When I got pregnant later on, my dh and I were very careful to share the news with sil and bil, and mil, quietly and with sensitivity, without any air of celebration or anything like that. We had hoped for a child ourselves for a very long time and finally got pregnant after nine years of marriage.

A few months into my pregnancy, my sil called me to say she wished something would happen to my baby, saying it matter of factly. She killed my joy. I can't express how much her saying that hurt me to the core. She said she resented my nickname; sil is a Disney fan and while my nickname is the same as a Disney princess, it has nothing to do with Disney or princesses, it is something my brothers have always called me since I was little and everyone at work calls me, including dh. Sil said she considered herself ***, the Disney princess, even fixing her hair to look like her, and that I was to be relegated to another (lesser) princess, ArielI know! it's nuts!!it was like she wanted to set me straight that the name belonged to her and it didn't matter that I'd had the name since I was four or five years old. She also said my dh would do anything for me even stand on his head...she said it accusingly and I could not understand why she said it that way, I wouldn't have thought she would be jealous of my relationship with dh, it seemed to me that her husband was devoted to her as well. I let her rail at me because I felt her miscarriages in the past had a bearing on her behaviour. Unknown to me at the time, she knew when she rang me that she was pregnant too, as I was, and her child was born three months after our child. I went to the hospital to support her when her daughter was born. She did not come to see our son until months afterward, but again, I knew she had difficult feelings to deal with and hoped she would soften toward me.

Things improved somewhat over the years, she became friendly even, to the point that I allowed her to be ds's music teacher. My husband and I thought she would develop a bond with our son and that it would foster in her genuine good will toward him. To add, because I think it is relevant, dh's family are singers and/or can play instruments, dh is a trained singer and is very good.

As ds got close to his solo recital for completion of the first level of the program he was taking under sil, sil began making insinuations, saying she loved how different her students were, using ds as an example of "trying hard" while her other students were musical and had natural gifts. Her dd was also taking lessons at the time too and I think sil is a competitive person and she resented our ds doing well. I kept most of her remarks to myself, I am a private person generally, and I did not want to cause trouble within dh's family. Dh and I had had conversations over the years about our strained relationship with sil, but I see now how much I kept to myself because I wanted so badly to keep the peace.

Two weeks before ds's recital, my mil came over while dh was at work and told me that at one of the family dinners when dh's uncle asked ds to perform she said "I knew I had to stop that because it would be a bad idea. Now if he had asked (the other gc--sil's dd), that would have been great," and she chuckled, just like sil when she's making an insult but doesn't want to get called on it. I didn't know what to say. I managed to say something like I didn't kids being put into categories, I probably was not very coherent, but she could surely tell I was surprised and hurt, and she made no effort to clarify.

The recital went well, ds played everything from memory and musically, he also played a piece on the violin as a duet with his best friend who plays the cello (ds asked to take violin lessons a few months before the recital so we let him add that instrument and he enjoys it), and he sang a song with his dad. His friends and our family were there. The uncle on dh's side of the family who is supportive of ds wasn't there because he is at a facility and mil acted strangely and said she wasn't bringing him, as if she didn't want him there.

A couple of weeks after that we had another family dinner at mil's. Sil insinuated again, very brazenly this time, that poor little ds didn't have any talent in music, and too bad that he had failed the program he was in! The same program he had just completed his recital in!?! I suddenly had had enough. I asked her to clarify what she was saying, and she put her hand on mine, shook her head, and repeated that ds had no talent, none, as in 0%. We were still at the table, everyone else had gone into the living room, and my ds and her dd were running around the house playing. He could have overheard what she saying, so I asked to have a private conversation with her upstairs, in mil's bedroom. She started saying all sorts of things about ds, one of which was that her colleagues would refuse to teach somebody like ds and that she was the only person who would even give him lessons...I couldn't believe she could be so malicious. She said many many things about how untalented ds was, it was sad. A few times her dd burst in from playing and looked at sil and nodded her head and made the ok sign and said approvingly, "I know what you're talking about, mom."

I went downstairs and sat next to dh on the sofa and told him what sil said. He said, wow. Bil and sil followed me in there and bil said sil was just being honest and that they just want the best for our ds. Bil said that just because ds can play pieces musically (at his recital) it doesn't mean he is musical. He said I needed to lower my expectations for ds. Bil said to me, are your expectations way up here (he put his hand up in the air) or are they down here (his hand down very low, below his knee (!!)) where they should be and where ds is?

My ds also drew the artwork for the cover of the recital program. He is pretty good at drawing, music and art are his two things, I would say. His art teacher wrote "masters class skills" on his report card. I say this because bil then said, it's like being able to draw but not being artistic.

So bil was able to double insult my son with that one statement.

My dh and I were speechless. Sil said again that she was just being honest, that I had "asked" for it (I did not).

I said to sil, you know, when I was pregnant and you told me you wished something would happen to our baby, that hurt me.

Sil patted my arm and said, I was just being open with you.

Dh told her she was no longer ds's teacher. Sil had the nerve to turn to me, as if appealing to me, and said, don't you think I should still teach ds? and I said, after what you've said about ds? and she looked at me as if she was confused, like, what did I do?

Meanwhile, mil was hiding out in the kitchen.

We collected ds and went home.

Over the next several days, we got texts and calls from bil and sil acting like nothing had happened beyond "setting us straight" which was right and proper in their eyes. Mil left a message on my phone saying, it's in the Lord's hands, and that she was praying for us.

After about a month of this garbage, Dh wrote a letter to bil, sil, and mil explaining that what sil and bil said about ds was hurtful and not true, basically putting it clearly how he and I felt about what they said. I wrote a letter to mil telling her exactly what was said and asking her what she thought about ds.

(To add again for context, ds is not mozart, but he is definitely not 100% devoid of any talent whatsoever like sil and bil are arguing. He sings in the choir at his school, his violin teacher thought he should audition for our city's symphony youth orchestra which he did and he got in the first violin section in the middle of the section. His violin teacher came to see ds sing in a play where he was chosen to sing the lead part and says what sil said about ds is not true and that sil's claim that her colleagues would refuse to teach ds is absolutely outrageous. It is not like they were giving us helpful advice, which would have been fine. They made these malicious statements, blanket statements labeling ds. He was eight years old and doing very well.This is not even about music really, they are using that because they feel ds is encroaching on their territory or something.)

Bil began barraging dh with texts, emails, letters, and voicemails insisting that he and sil are right and we are wrong, insisting we agree and accept what they're saying, and that we are terrible people. It is unbelievable the abusive things bil has said in these voicemails and emails, etc. He always adds at the end that he continues to pray for us (that we will accept the "unfortunate truth" about our son?) Dh has not responded to any of these messages, because he sent that letter at the beginning which bil completely ignored and denied. It doesn't seem possible to even talk to them at all, it wouldn't do any good. If I had insulted someone's child, I would apologize. Dh and I would never, ever say to any child (or adult for that matter) the things they said about our ds.

My mil responded to my letter with a short, cold, and cruel statement, "It was painful to read how wounded you are. I have no words to utter to take away your pain. I pray that God cares for you."

I never would have believed the level of malice or whatever it is driving them to do this.

Sorry this is so terribly long. There is more, but I'm tired, will post rest later. basically we have tried to ignore them.

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BreadmakerFan · 13/06/2015 08:34

You poor things. I would be walking right away from these vile, toxic people. Her daughter is being brought up to be the same. My MiL is a Christian and says better to tell the truth even if it hurts rather than lie, except when it puts her in a bad light as she's done something she shouldn't and then she lies her arse off Angry.

LaurieFairyCake · 13/06/2015 08:35

Myricales - I reckon they'll get grandma on board too

They won't succeed (obviously) but I bet if you stop contact with them you'll get threats of solicitors.

ARealPipperoo · 13/06/2015 08:38

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Only1scoop · 13/06/2015 08:45

Stuff the music opinions

A bit daft to trust her to be an objective tutor really

She wished something would happen to your baby. That would have been her final contact with my family.

ememem84 · 13/06/2015 08:48

Call police. They are harassing you. I would also probably change phone numbers/email and maybe think about moving house (extreme I know).

I'd definetly cut contact. Psychos

BrockAuLit · 13/06/2015 08:50

They are mad.

I bet this is all to do with you producing a grandchild before they did, and that being against their "natural order". Also I get they think they are really good people for being at any point decent; giving your boy piano lessons was probably an act of charity in their part.

Shocking behaviour. I can see why you think they might be possessed. They'd have to be to think and behave as though all this is normal.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 08:52

That night I realized that I would never allow them around my son ever again. They made us feel as though we were in the wrong, it was weird, they are manipulating in how they argue and talk...Bil in one of his messages said that "everyone" was furious with my husband for not speaking to his own mother, how he was treating his own mother, that it was unforgivable, unchristian...He said he told their cousins and they could not believe the level of "misunderstanding" on our end!!!!! ( there is no misunderstanding!!!!)

At the mall when sidled up to dh and started laughing and joking while he just stood there ignoring, and I told her here was her chance to apologize and then leave us alone, she said maybe someday ds might learn something about being musical, that our interpretation was different as if we didn't know what she meant, shook her head at me as if I were crazy and got down on ds's level and cupped his head in her hands and told him what an awesome kid he was. He was scared. I took her arm and said, take your hands off my son. Then she did it again! I took her arm again and said again take your hands off my son. I told her no more manipulative letters, cards, etc and to leave us alone. Then I linked arms with dh and ds and we turned and walked out. Ds said right outside, mommy, if I had a son and she said to him what she said in there, I would have said even more than you!

Bil a few days later sent a letter implying that sil was having a nice conversation with dh and I felt left out??? In another letter he declared "war" on us for cutting them off. We have not responded to any of these crazy messages.

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BrockAuLit · 13/06/2015 08:53

Also, I think MIL saying she is praying for you all is her religious way of staying out of it. She doesn't want to referee, and as is often the way in these sorts of disputes with siblings, she is letting one side (yours, obv) down.

Penfold007 · 13/06/2015 08:54

Since the beginning of time so people have used religion as a means of carrying out some horrible behaviour. Your in laws are such a group of people, they are allowing SIL to be the main spokesperson. Your 'defection' from Presbyterian to Catholicism will have been seen as a step too far.

You and DH need to concentrate on your own little family and protecting your son. Going NC is vital but backed up with injunctions (or what ever your country uses) to formalize the break.

I suspect mental health issues may be a factor. You must worry about your niece.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 09:05

My husband is 16 months older than bil.

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MakeItACider · 13/06/2015 09:06

Wow, talk about seriously bat shit crazy!

Is your BIL the older brother by any chance?

Because I'm guessing your pregnancy was the tipping point for them - you did things OUT of the natural order, the older brother (or favoured if he is the younger) should have the first grandchild.

They are absolutely determined to make sure that your child is 'defective' - of absolutely no worth and therefore not really a first born grandchild.

There is nothing you can do about it.

If you are tempted to ever write back to them, I would say I pity them and their deeply unchristian ways. That such self centredness and mean spiritedness towards a child and to other members of your family would have made Jesus weep.

These people are not worthy of your time and effort.

I've always loved this saying:

'Friends are God's apology for your relatives'.

In your case, treasure your friends and look at them as God's apology for sending you these sad specimens as your family.

AntiHop · 13/06/2015 09:07

Awful awful behaviour.

Whocansay · 13/06/2015 09:07

What are they actually expecting you to do? Even if he has no talent, why should your DS stop doing something he loves?

I think you know that you aren't being unreasonable. I wouldn't get into any kind of dialogue with the ever again. There is something very wrong with them.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 09:12

You all are bringing up some points I hadn't thought of...and I do think there must be issues, them trying to blame us for their awful behaviour.

I'm dreading what they will do next , dh doesn't think it's over yet. Bil keeps saying in messages that he loved us and will never stop trying to "reach out to us in Christian live." ??! They will leave us alone for a bit then pop up again.

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Fatmomma99 · 13/06/2015 09:20

Agree with everyone on here - it has to be NC, doesn't it.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 09:21

Whocansay, I think they are expecting us to eventually be persuaded to say ok we agree with you about ds and carry on as we always have.

No. They are demented. How can all three be? That is boggling my brain. I could not live with myself knowing id hurt someone, even inadvertently. I would crawl to them to apologize and beg for forgiveness. They've tried to make us feel guilty knowing both dh and I are, no, were, doormats. I had no idea how demented they are.

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cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 09:21

What a bunch - it sounds as if there's more than one can of worms in that family. It also sounds as if they see DS as your Achilles' Heel and are 'going' at anything connected with him in order to hurt you all. (And in a way which their warped values could categorize as 'acceptable' - hence the 'lack of talent'.)

I'd cut them out of your life as permanently as you can manage - I don't think the relationship is salvageable. I would be sad about your niece's position in that group of people family but then you can't personally be responsible for the world.

cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 09:24

*group of people/family

(I was going to call them a family but it's no family structure that I can understand. They're more like a group of sharks who just happen to hang out together.)

Whocansay · 13/06/2015 09:26

Do you still want a relationship with them? Does you DH?

Aeroflotgirl · 13/06/2015 09:32

Bloody hell, the moment yoyr SIL said she wished something happened to the baby, is the moment yiu go totally NC with them, what a hateful, toxic and spiteful bunch of morons. Nasty to the core. You were too restrained, I would have ripped into SIL and BIL when they insulted ds. Sounds like they are nasty and jealous. nC with the log of them.

RhiWrites · 13/06/2015 09:34

They are really weird. And I thought i'd heard the weirdest stories but this is deeply odd.

The phone calls and driving by your house are creepy enough that I think it would be wise to raise the issue with the police so there is a record in case of escalation.

BreadmakerFan · 13/06/2015 09:37

Make sure you keep all the texts and emails and make a note of the physical contact and abuse you've had.

Stealthpolarbear · 13/06/2015 09:37

Op if you don't mind me saying you are getting way too analytical about this. They sound mad - in the way people who are in cults are mad. And they are dangerous. Send one message saying none if them are to contact you again. If they do get a restraining order. And then file them under "stuff I'll never understand"

Aeroflotgirl · 13/06/2015 09:43

Op they are nasty through and though, I do not know why you have been restrained all this time. Delete them out of your lives and be happy. They are Fake Christians, who Inly go to church for show, tgey are the devil underneath. Wolf in sheep clothing.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 09:43

Makeit , thank you and thank you all for giving perspective on this. Makeit, bil is using that same language on us, that he pities us, that we are unchristian, that we are full of hatred. Our crime is not speaking to them. We didn't even lash back at them when they said all this about ds. We sat and listened, and said please stop. Even the one letter dh wrote and the one I wrote, there's no crazy stuff, we basically said, you hurt us, we can't be around you when you're saying these things about our ds, we can't allow you all around him if you think that sil saying she wanted harm to come to our child, that you (bil and mil ) think that's ok. It's not.

It's like everything they're saying is really the opposite. Sil at the mall actually said to me, why must you label ds? When it is she who labeled our son!! I told her, what!? It is YOU who is labeling our son. It's like it is my fault she had to tell us her garbage.... Thank you all for your support.

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