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...to think my inlaws are creepy in a twilight zone sort of way?

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Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 04:20

I can't believe the weird situation we are in with my inlaws. We are not speaking to them and I'm not sure if our relationship with them is even salvageable. They say they are loving Christians (so are we) but their behaviour is anything but. Forgive me if I ramble, or "drip feed" or get muddled, I'm not sure where to begin.

For background, my sil (married to my husband's brother) has made little digs at me since I married dh. One example is when she told me the inlaws didn't approve of dh marrying me because I hadn't finished my degree, chuckling as she said this as if disguising her dig with humour. I truly was not offended by this at the time and ignored her remarks thinking we'd get to know each other and all would be well.

Sil had two miscarriages, both of them happened very early in the pregnancies, and my dh and I supported her during that time. When I got pregnant later on, my dh and I were very careful to share the news with sil and bil, and mil, quietly and with sensitivity, without any air of celebration or anything like that. We had hoped for a child ourselves for a very long time and finally got pregnant after nine years of marriage.

A few months into my pregnancy, my sil called me to say she wished something would happen to my baby, saying it matter of factly. She killed my joy. I can't express how much her saying that hurt me to the core. She said she resented my nickname; sil is a Disney fan and while my nickname is the same as a Disney princess, it has nothing to do with Disney or princesses, it is something my brothers have always called me since I was little and everyone at work calls me, including dh. Sil said she considered herself ***, the Disney princess, even fixing her hair to look like her, and that I was to be relegated to another (lesser) princess, ArielI know! it's nuts!!it was like she wanted to set me straight that the name belonged to her and it didn't matter that I'd had the name since I was four or five years old. She also said my dh would do anything for me even stand on his head...she said it accusingly and I could not understand why she said it that way, I wouldn't have thought she would be jealous of my relationship with dh, it seemed to me that her husband was devoted to her as well. I let her rail at me because I felt her miscarriages in the past had a bearing on her behaviour. Unknown to me at the time, she knew when she rang me that she was pregnant too, as I was, and her child was born three months after our child. I went to the hospital to support her when her daughter was born. She did not come to see our son until months afterward, but again, I knew she had difficult feelings to deal with and hoped she would soften toward me.

Things improved somewhat over the years, she became friendly even, to the point that I allowed her to be ds's music teacher. My husband and I thought she would develop a bond with our son and that it would foster in her genuine good will toward him. To add, because I think it is relevant, dh's family are singers and/or can play instruments, dh is a trained singer and is very good.

As ds got close to his solo recital for completion of the first level of the program he was taking under sil, sil began making insinuations, saying she loved how different her students were, using ds as an example of "trying hard" while her other students were musical and had natural gifts. Her dd was also taking lessons at the time too and I think sil is a competitive person and she resented our ds doing well. I kept most of her remarks to myself, I am a private person generally, and I did not want to cause trouble within dh's family. Dh and I had had conversations over the years about our strained relationship with sil, but I see now how much I kept to myself because I wanted so badly to keep the peace.

Two weeks before ds's recital, my mil came over while dh was at work and told me that at one of the family dinners when dh's uncle asked ds to perform she said "I knew I had to stop that because it would be a bad idea. Now if he had asked (the other gc--sil's dd), that would have been great," and she chuckled, just like sil when she's making an insult but doesn't want to get called on it. I didn't know what to say. I managed to say something like I didn't kids being put into categories, I probably was not very coherent, but she could surely tell I was surprised and hurt, and she made no effort to clarify.

The recital went well, ds played everything from memory and musically, he also played a piece on the violin as a duet with his best friend who plays the cello (ds asked to take violin lessons a few months before the recital so we let him add that instrument and he enjoys it), and he sang a song with his dad. His friends and our family were there. The uncle on dh's side of the family who is supportive of ds wasn't there because he is at a facility and mil acted strangely and said she wasn't bringing him, as if she didn't want him there.

A couple of weeks after that we had another family dinner at mil's. Sil insinuated again, very brazenly this time, that poor little ds didn't have any talent in music, and too bad that he had failed the program he was in! The same program he had just completed his recital in!?! I suddenly had had enough. I asked her to clarify what she was saying, and she put her hand on mine, shook her head, and repeated that ds had no talent, none, as in 0%. We were still at the table, everyone else had gone into the living room, and my ds and her dd were running around the house playing. He could have overheard what she saying, so I asked to have a private conversation with her upstairs, in mil's bedroom. She started saying all sorts of things about ds, one of which was that her colleagues would refuse to teach somebody like ds and that she was the only person who would even give him lessons...I couldn't believe she could be so malicious. She said many many things about how untalented ds was, it was sad. A few times her dd burst in from playing and looked at sil and nodded her head and made the ok sign and said approvingly, "I know what you're talking about, mom."

I went downstairs and sat next to dh on the sofa and told him what sil said. He said, wow. Bil and sil followed me in there and bil said sil was just being honest and that they just want the best for our ds. Bil said that just because ds can play pieces musically (at his recital) it doesn't mean he is musical. He said I needed to lower my expectations for ds. Bil said to me, are your expectations way up here (he put his hand up in the air) or are they down here (his hand down very low, below his knee (!!)) where they should be and where ds is?

My ds also drew the artwork for the cover of the recital program. He is pretty good at drawing, music and art are his two things, I would say. His art teacher wrote "masters class skills" on his report card. I say this because bil then said, it's like being able to draw but not being artistic.

So bil was able to double insult my son with that one statement.

My dh and I were speechless. Sil said again that she was just being honest, that I had "asked" for it (I did not).

I said to sil, you know, when I was pregnant and you told me you wished something would happen to our baby, that hurt me.

Sil patted my arm and said, I was just being open with you.

Dh told her she was no longer ds's teacher. Sil had the nerve to turn to me, as if appealing to me, and said, don't you think I should still teach ds? and I said, after what you've said about ds? and she looked at me as if she was confused, like, what did I do?

Meanwhile, mil was hiding out in the kitchen.

We collected ds and went home.

Over the next several days, we got texts and calls from bil and sil acting like nothing had happened beyond "setting us straight" which was right and proper in their eyes. Mil left a message on my phone saying, it's in the Lord's hands, and that she was praying for us.

After about a month of this garbage, Dh wrote a letter to bil, sil, and mil explaining that what sil and bil said about ds was hurtful and not true, basically putting it clearly how he and I felt about what they said. I wrote a letter to mil telling her exactly what was said and asking her what she thought about ds.

(To add again for context, ds is not mozart, but he is definitely not 100% devoid of any talent whatsoever like sil and bil are arguing. He sings in the choir at his school, his violin teacher thought he should audition for our city's symphony youth orchestra which he did and he got in the first violin section in the middle of the section. His violin teacher came to see ds sing in a play where he was chosen to sing the lead part and says what sil said about ds is not true and that sil's claim that her colleagues would refuse to teach ds is absolutely outrageous. It is not like they were giving us helpful advice, which would have been fine. They made these malicious statements, blanket statements labeling ds. He was eight years old and doing very well.This is not even about music really, they are using that because they feel ds is encroaching on their territory or something.)

Bil began barraging dh with texts, emails, letters, and voicemails insisting that he and sil are right and we are wrong, insisting we agree and accept what they're saying, and that we are terrible people. It is unbelievable the abusive things bil has said in these voicemails and emails, etc. He always adds at the end that he continues to pray for us (that we will accept the "unfortunate truth" about our son?) Dh has not responded to any of these messages, because he sent that letter at the beginning which bil completely ignored and denied. It doesn't seem possible to even talk to them at all, it wouldn't do any good. If I had insulted someone's child, I would apologize. Dh and I would never, ever say to any child (or adult for that matter) the things they said about our ds.

My mil responded to my letter with a short, cold, and cruel statement, "It was painful to read how wounded you are. I have no words to utter to take away your pain. I pray that God cares for you."

I never would have believed the level of malice or whatever it is driving them to do this.

Sorry this is so terribly long. There is more, but I'm tired, will post rest later. basically we have tried to ignore them.

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Hygge · 13/06/2015 09:46

I think you need to keep the correspondence, as it's harassment and you may need to prove it.

Was BIL the favoured brother as a child? I know your DH is the elder child, but was his brother the 'golden' one?

DH has a complicated family. The elder two boys can do no wrong, the younger two (SIL and then DH as the youngest) can do no right. But it's the second eldest who is absolutely golden as far as PILS are concerned.

There's always been a huge elephant in the room as far as PILs behaviour is concerned, everybody knows about it but nobody wants to mention it for fear of facing the consequences.

When enough finally became enough for us, the whole family turned against us to some degree or another, with PILs weeping in the middle saying they didn't know what they had done, we'd misunderstood, we'd lied, we were wrong, they would never do or say the things we had accused them of, they had tried so hard, it was all down to us. They place a lot of importance on appearances, and having us walk away made them look bad. They like the world to believe they are a close family, but it's all a facade.

It's easier for them to blame us than for PILs to blame themselves or BILs and SIL to stand up for themselves.

I think it might be the same with your DH's family. If BIL was the golden boy, and your DH was the one who had to fit in, they won't like it that you won't take what they dish out now.

And in the same was as us, it came when they started to insult your DS. We put up with no end of bad behaviour to keep the peace when it was just the two of us, but once we'd had children it was a different story. They're not playing their games with our kids.

It sounds like you live in a small town. Could you move? I'd be changing phones but I'd also want to move, get away from them and their poison.

cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 09:46

They're seeing you not as attempting to be understanding but as weak. You have a bunch of predators there albeit emotional ones - stay out of their range.

silverglitterpisser · 13/06/2015 09:49

Wow, they all sound like utter lunatics! Stay NC, u don't want ur DS being old enough to understand n being exposed to their bile as u have been.

rockybalboa · 13/06/2015 09:53

Yes, they are extremely toxic and you should have nothing more to do with them. Hideous sounding people to treat a child that way and to tell a pregnant woman they hope something happens to her baby!! NC all the way...

ssd · 13/06/2015 09:53

agree with stealth^^

op, its taken me a while to realise, some people are just bastards.

repeat, some people are just bastards.

end of.

olgaga · 13/06/2015 09:55

I wouldn't contact them to say anything at all.

I would get a dossier together of all the emails, texts, messages, incidents etc in chronological order, so you csn show a continuing act of harassment.

The next time they make contact along these lines I would see a solicitor and discuss getting a restraining order, and sk for an informed opinion as to whether you should register this with the police.

I also agree with the PP about not over-analysing this. The reason for their behaviour is irrelevant. It's the effect of it, on you and DH but particularly on your son, which is important.

Hygge · 13/06/2015 09:56

I forgot to add, the best thing we ever did was go no contact with them.

I still feel under pressure from them, they still send messages and I suspect they drive passed the house looking for us (they have form for this kind of thing) and I didn't realise how badly I felt that until I knew they were out of the country for four weeks last year.

It still took a few days but the weight lifted for the rest of that time, knowing they were gone and wouldn't be turning up at the door or sending texts or letters for that brief bit of time.

Even so, walking away did lift a lot of the weight as well, they were grinding us down and making me ill.

Remember, you can't control anybody else's behaviour, you can only control your own response to it.

We took that into our own hands and decided that if they wouldn't stop their bad behaviour, we would stop contact with them so we were not exposed to it.

You can do that. You can walk away if you want. All this nonsense about you only get one family/get one mother/blood being thicker than water, forget all that. Family is about more than blood, it's about caring for and respecting the people you love. They are not doing any of that to you.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 09:56

You're right stealth. It is hard for me to believe, I guess accept, that they would behave like this... I will take your advice and the other posters.

And no, I do not want a relationship with them. No, no , no. My husband does not want a relationship with sil or bil. He held out hope that his mother would see what she is doing and I did too, we felt betrayed by her . It is hard for him. Also, at this point, after her cold response, and then these occasional nonsensical cards brightly saying "you're loved!" just make him think he can never have a relationship with her again either.

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olgaga · 13/06/2015 09:56

*That should be ask not sk.

Readingwritingandarithmetic · 13/06/2015 09:58

Twilight zone is an understatement! Crickey ......families.....aaaaarrrgghh!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/06/2015 10:02

Your family need to stay no contact with your DHs parents and his brother's family. All his family of origin are emotional vampires who have and continue to see you as weak. Your boundaries re them in earlier years were far too low and they took full advantage of your reasonableness (also you likely come from an emotionally healthy family yourself so had no idea that such dysfunctional structures could take place within such families).

I would also suggest you contact the police and have no qualms about doing so if they continue to try and contact any of you.

The worst type of bad man is indeed the religious bad man.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 10:02

Yes olgaga, we've kept all the emails letters, voicemails, etc. dh did block the texts though but we have all those he sent before.

Yes I think bil was favored by mil. Dh was closest to his dad but he passed away eight years ago.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/06/2015 10:03

Reading "Toxic Inlaws" by Susan Forward may well help you.

HawkEyeTheNoo · 13/06/2015 10:05

Lash, please please give me their phone number!! I'm actually reading this with my mouth hanging open and getting more and more furious!!! How dare they!! Christians my arse!!!! Please don't ever, under any circumstances allow them any contact with your DS, who knows what toxicity he has had under her "tutelage" and you don't want any of that affecting him later in life (or now!). Please pm me their phone number as I am in a sucky mood and would really like to give them a taste of their own medicine, Scottish style! Probably ending in "what planet are you from?? now fuck off back there and when your done fucking off, fuck off some more you crazy crazy excuses for human beings!" ARG!! Sooooo angry for you!!!

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 10:05

Thank you Attila, thank you all.

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BrendaBlackhead · 13/06/2015 10:05

Religion or no religion, the bottom line is that your sil is absolutely consumed with jealousy.

I have experience of a very jealous relative. They will do everything and anything to undermine you. Sometimes you can't even recognise why on earth they are jealous, it's nonsensical, but jealous they are and the poison will keep on coming.

I agree with a previous poster that the mil's stance of "praying" is trying to keep neutral or not wishing to offend bil and sil. Believe me, I have experience in spades of this. Not the praying, but the pacifying of a relative who never lost an opportunity to put the boot in. Dm said she wanted "everyone to get on" which actually meant me taking every insult on the chin and in fact making myself as mousy as possible so as not to give the relative any cause to kick off. Any part in a play, new job, anything, was met with, "Ooh, we mustn't let X know; you won't say anything, will you?" I was trained to hide any glimmer of light under 1,000 bushels.

Just keep your ds away from them.

Aeroflotgirl · 13/06/2015 10:08

Go NC with them, save all communication to pass onto the Police, they are as toxic as radiation. Do not let yiur children anywhere near them.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/06/2015 10:09

Re an earlier comment of yours:-

"My inlaws are involved in charitable type things...this is part of why I can't wrap my head around what they're doing. What they seem(ed) to be on the outside, nice, outgoing, very involved in church, does not compute with this bizarre behaviour. And all three of them?? It's like sil is the witch from oz and bil and mil are her flying monkeys".

Am not surprised at any of this re his family, some so called pillars of the community are anything but. My FIL used to be a lay preacher and rambled on during those services about being nice to family. Outside of church he could not have given a toss about anyone except his own self (and he did the lay preaching also because he was paid). BIL in this overtly narcissistic familial structure you write of is the golden child whilst you and your DH are the scapegoats for all their inherent ills. Your late FIL was likely the buffer (and I see your H got on well with him) for them as well.

Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 10:11

Thank you hawkeye. You don't know how unbelievably refreshing it is to have someonealbeit via the internetto stand up /with one. Thank you!!! I am tempted , let me think about it! :-) my family are also incensed... They also think we might have to resort to an order of protection or something like that.

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Aeroflotgirl · 13/06/2015 10:13

Yes my mouth is hanging open. It is pure pure jealousy, they know tgat your ds has a lot of talent, they are gaslighting you, trying to twist your thoughts and make you believe what they are saying is true. You cannot engage with them, they are toxic.

cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 10:16

Lasha

Their 'religion' is neither here nor there. They are simply bad people.

Your family is providing them with some excitement in their lives - something to do and someone to pick on. Imagine if you all were suddenly not there - they'd lkely turn in on themselves instead within a very short time.

I'd go for legal action directly.

cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 10:20

PS - sorry. Or find themselves a different victim (s) if you weren't there.

HawkEyeTheNoo · 13/06/2015 10:21

I have actually just phoned my mum and read her all of this! She actually couldn't speak through shock!!! Lash, I think you might be in America, I'm in Florida in October with my family and I think you might just find a wee army of scots coming to sort this out for you!!!! DM actually said "hawkeye, your so good with words I think you should phone them and they will be praying for divine intervention then!"

Fluffycloudland77 · 13/06/2015 10:26

For some reason sil is jealous of you and has manipulated mil and bil into treating you as scapegoats for their own behaviour.

They are absolutely desperate for sil dd to be better than your ds. In itself that is pretty weird behaviour. You have to ask why mil is so keen to please sil and bil.

You and your dh are obviously independently minded sorts who stand up for unfair criticism of your child. This alone is enough to get them frothing at the mouth. You are no "fun" to them if you don't comply with their role for you as second class citizens.

I was in a similar situation of control and I got out my moving away with dh, setting up a new mobile phone and a new email. You could email your providers to close down the email. Then when they send a vitriolic email it will bounce back as address unknown. Which is no fun for them.

What they are doing is harassment in the UK, I'm guessing you are in the U.S. though.

It doesn't make you a bad person to go nc with all of them. It makes them bad people for treating you all so badly that you feel the need to.

KatieLatie · 13/06/2015 10:30

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