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...to think my inlaws are creepy in a twilight zone sort of way?

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Lashalicious · 13/06/2015 04:20

I can't believe the weird situation we are in with my inlaws. We are not speaking to them and I'm not sure if our relationship with them is even salvageable. They say they are loving Christians (so are we) but their behaviour is anything but. Forgive me if I ramble, or "drip feed" or get muddled, I'm not sure where to begin.

For background, my sil (married to my husband's brother) has made little digs at me since I married dh. One example is when she told me the inlaws didn't approve of dh marrying me because I hadn't finished my degree, chuckling as she said this as if disguising her dig with humour. I truly was not offended by this at the time and ignored her remarks thinking we'd get to know each other and all would be well.

Sil had two miscarriages, both of them happened very early in the pregnancies, and my dh and I supported her during that time. When I got pregnant later on, my dh and I were very careful to share the news with sil and bil, and mil, quietly and with sensitivity, without any air of celebration or anything like that. We had hoped for a child ourselves for a very long time and finally got pregnant after nine years of marriage.

A few months into my pregnancy, my sil called me to say she wished something would happen to my baby, saying it matter of factly. She killed my joy. I can't express how much her saying that hurt me to the core. She said she resented my nickname; sil is a Disney fan and while my nickname is the same as a Disney princess, it has nothing to do with Disney or princesses, it is something my brothers have always called me since I was little and everyone at work calls me, including dh. Sil said she considered herself ***, the Disney princess, even fixing her hair to look like her, and that I was to be relegated to another (lesser) princess, ArielI know! it's nuts!!it was like she wanted to set me straight that the name belonged to her and it didn't matter that I'd had the name since I was four or five years old. She also said my dh would do anything for me even stand on his head...she said it accusingly and I could not understand why she said it that way, I wouldn't have thought she would be jealous of my relationship with dh, it seemed to me that her husband was devoted to her as well. I let her rail at me because I felt her miscarriages in the past had a bearing on her behaviour. Unknown to me at the time, she knew when she rang me that she was pregnant too, as I was, and her child was born three months after our child. I went to the hospital to support her when her daughter was born. She did not come to see our son until months afterward, but again, I knew she had difficult feelings to deal with and hoped she would soften toward me.

Things improved somewhat over the years, she became friendly even, to the point that I allowed her to be ds's music teacher. My husband and I thought she would develop a bond with our son and that it would foster in her genuine good will toward him. To add, because I think it is relevant, dh's family are singers and/or can play instruments, dh is a trained singer and is very good.

As ds got close to his solo recital for completion of the first level of the program he was taking under sil, sil began making insinuations, saying she loved how different her students were, using ds as an example of "trying hard" while her other students were musical and had natural gifts. Her dd was also taking lessons at the time too and I think sil is a competitive person and she resented our ds doing well. I kept most of her remarks to myself, I am a private person generally, and I did not want to cause trouble within dh's family. Dh and I had had conversations over the years about our strained relationship with sil, but I see now how much I kept to myself because I wanted so badly to keep the peace.

Two weeks before ds's recital, my mil came over while dh was at work and told me that at one of the family dinners when dh's uncle asked ds to perform she said "I knew I had to stop that because it would be a bad idea. Now if he had asked (the other gc--sil's dd), that would have been great," and she chuckled, just like sil when she's making an insult but doesn't want to get called on it. I didn't know what to say. I managed to say something like I didn't kids being put into categories, I probably was not very coherent, but she could surely tell I was surprised and hurt, and she made no effort to clarify.

The recital went well, ds played everything from memory and musically, he also played a piece on the violin as a duet with his best friend who plays the cello (ds asked to take violin lessons a few months before the recital so we let him add that instrument and he enjoys it), and he sang a song with his dad. His friends and our family were there. The uncle on dh's side of the family who is supportive of ds wasn't there because he is at a facility and mil acted strangely and said she wasn't bringing him, as if she didn't want him there.

A couple of weeks after that we had another family dinner at mil's. Sil insinuated again, very brazenly this time, that poor little ds didn't have any talent in music, and too bad that he had failed the program he was in! The same program he had just completed his recital in!?! I suddenly had had enough. I asked her to clarify what she was saying, and she put her hand on mine, shook her head, and repeated that ds had no talent, none, as in 0%. We were still at the table, everyone else had gone into the living room, and my ds and her dd were running around the house playing. He could have overheard what she saying, so I asked to have a private conversation with her upstairs, in mil's bedroom. She started saying all sorts of things about ds, one of which was that her colleagues would refuse to teach somebody like ds and that she was the only person who would even give him lessons...I couldn't believe she could be so malicious. She said many many things about how untalented ds was, it was sad. A few times her dd burst in from playing and looked at sil and nodded her head and made the ok sign and said approvingly, "I know what you're talking about, mom."

I went downstairs and sat next to dh on the sofa and told him what sil said. He said, wow. Bil and sil followed me in there and bil said sil was just being honest and that they just want the best for our ds. Bil said that just because ds can play pieces musically (at his recital) it doesn't mean he is musical. He said I needed to lower my expectations for ds. Bil said to me, are your expectations way up here (he put his hand up in the air) or are they down here (his hand down very low, below his knee (!!)) where they should be and where ds is?

My ds also drew the artwork for the cover of the recital program. He is pretty good at drawing, music and art are his two things, I would say. His art teacher wrote "masters class skills" on his report card. I say this because bil then said, it's like being able to draw but not being artistic.

So bil was able to double insult my son with that one statement.

My dh and I were speechless. Sil said again that she was just being honest, that I had "asked" for it (I did not).

I said to sil, you know, when I was pregnant and you told me you wished something would happen to our baby, that hurt me.

Sil patted my arm and said, I was just being open with you.

Dh told her she was no longer ds's teacher. Sil had the nerve to turn to me, as if appealing to me, and said, don't you think I should still teach ds? and I said, after what you've said about ds? and she looked at me as if she was confused, like, what did I do?

Meanwhile, mil was hiding out in the kitchen.

We collected ds and went home.

Over the next several days, we got texts and calls from bil and sil acting like nothing had happened beyond "setting us straight" which was right and proper in their eyes. Mil left a message on my phone saying, it's in the Lord's hands, and that she was praying for us.

After about a month of this garbage, Dh wrote a letter to bil, sil, and mil explaining that what sil and bil said about ds was hurtful and not true, basically putting it clearly how he and I felt about what they said. I wrote a letter to mil telling her exactly what was said and asking her what she thought about ds.

(To add again for context, ds is not mozart, but he is definitely not 100% devoid of any talent whatsoever like sil and bil are arguing. He sings in the choir at his school, his violin teacher thought he should audition for our city's symphony youth orchestra which he did and he got in the first violin section in the middle of the section. His violin teacher came to see ds sing in a play where he was chosen to sing the lead part and says what sil said about ds is not true and that sil's claim that her colleagues would refuse to teach ds is absolutely outrageous. It is not like they were giving us helpful advice, which would have been fine. They made these malicious statements, blanket statements labeling ds. He was eight years old and doing very well.This is not even about music really, they are using that because they feel ds is encroaching on their territory or something.)

Bil began barraging dh with texts, emails, letters, and voicemails insisting that he and sil are right and we are wrong, insisting we agree and accept what they're saying, and that we are terrible people. It is unbelievable the abusive things bil has said in these voicemails and emails, etc. He always adds at the end that he continues to pray for us (that we will accept the "unfortunate truth" about our son?) Dh has not responded to any of these messages, because he sent that letter at the beginning which bil completely ignored and denied. It doesn't seem possible to even talk to them at all, it wouldn't do any good. If I had insulted someone's child, I would apologize. Dh and I would never, ever say to any child (or adult for that matter) the things they said about our ds.

My mil responded to my letter with a short, cold, and cruel statement, "It was painful to read how wounded you are. I have no words to utter to take away your pain. I pray that God cares for you."

I never would have believed the level of malice or whatever it is driving them to do this.

Sorry this is so terribly long. There is more, but I'm tired, will post rest later. basically we have tried to ignore them.

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Allbymyselfagain · 13/06/2015 10:31

Really nothing to add after all the advice except wasn't Hitler a devout Christian? Being Christian doesn't make you a good person just as being non Christian doesn't make you a bad person. These people are just messed up. Stay away OP and love your own little family. Maybe we will hear your son play professionally one day, I look forward to it.

AlternativeTentacles · 13/06/2015 10:32

They are creepy in a sociopathic sort of way.

KERALA1 · 13/06/2015 10:36

Still puzzling over grown adults becoming so frothed at the mouth about an 8 year olds musical ability?!

My dd bless her really cannot sing but was inspired by granny's introduction to bgt to sing at a family party. Which she did, extremely badly. But everyone claps and says how marvellously she sang. Because she's a child and she's enthusiastic that's what reasonable sane adults do.

KERALA1 · 13/06/2015 10:37

Still you have some great material for a book!

Cherriesandapples · 13/06/2015 10:41

They sound quite unhinged. I feel very sorry that you are going through this. You sound lovely though. Avoid them, they won't change. They are not good Christians.

AgathaChristie01 · 13/06/2015 10:43

Awful stuff. Others have given far better advice than I can. I would just second the 'no contact'. There is no going back, in my view.
Someone saying they wished that something would happen to another person's baby is beyond unforgivable, IMO.
The description of the kid looking in, and knowing what was going on when the poisonous SIL was giving forth about your child, made me feel a bit sick.

You don't need those people in your lives, any of you.

Gatehouse77 · 13/06/2015 10:48

I am gobsmacked by their behaviour and agree with other posters that their beliefs have got sod all to do with this. I also agree with keeping records of all correspondence in case they're needed for future reference.

I, too, am having issues with, in my case, extended family. Whilst I know I have done nothing 'wrong' it's still emotionally draining and, at times, all-consuming. I am glad for you that you do have real life support from your family, as do I. The worst is when people like these employ the tactic of divide and conquer (which is what is being attempted by others to my siblings and I and failing, dismally. Mwah ha ha!).

Stay strong and to satisfy my nosiness (and inner bitch!), keep posting!

LegoSuperstar · 13/06/2015 11:02

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Usernamesarehard · 13/06/2015 11:06

I'd run a million miles from those lunatics. Cruel and unhinged.

FryOneFatManic · 13/06/2015 11:13

The SIL is deluded if she thinks her jealousy isn't shining out. I wonder if her DD is really as talented as she thinks?

I'd have cut her off at the point when she wished harm on your then unborn son.

LegoSuperstar · 13/06/2015 11:28

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rumbleinthrjungle · 13/06/2015 11:47

I'd just be busy for the rest of your lives. No need to announce you've cut contact, it's information they'd use. Just don't return calls, texts, letters, always be blandly too busy to meet anywhere, (Oh what a shame, nope, we're busy, maybe another time) change numbers and don't give them any crumb of fuel or rejection or information they can obsess over. And then go live lives happily free of this batshit nonsense. It would be tempting to suggest to SiL she look up 'oversharing' and 'boundaries' but why give her the satisfaction of the fight?

Keeping the paper trail is a good idea just in case they do try anything extreme to get attention like trying to get 'contact' for GM, (I think reporting to social services that the children are 'endangered' is another popular favourite with this type) in which case it's important you don't react or retaliate or engage so it's clear it's them being completely batshit with or without fuel from you and you can evidence quickly and easily that it's all about them demanding your attention. If they continue bombarding you when you're not reacting and blanking them completely, then the police can talk to you about harassment and how they can help.

cailindana · 13/06/2015 11:53

My sister is like this, and my mother to a certain extent. My advice would be, for your own mental health, either don't have contact with them at all or if you do, just act like everything they say is "blah blah blah." Absolutely do not try to listen to them or reason with them. In the end with my sister I just agreed with everything she said about me, I said "yes I am a bully, yes I am an awful person." Hey presto she hasn't spoken to me in well over a year. And it is such a relief. People like this are not normal, so trying to engage with them on a normal level is only going to drive you crazy. You have to accept that they think one specific way and nothing you ever say or do will change that. There is no logic, no reasoning, they just have an entire fantasy built up and every single word you say will be twisted to fit that fantasy. When I agreed with my sister she entirely ran out of steam. Criticising me, insulting me and putting me down while I protested was the only way she could engage with me. When I said I was everything nasty that she believed of me, well what more was there to say?

It is never nice to think anyone out there thinks badly of you. But you have to look at these people as being not quite with reality - they are not seeing you at all, they are seeing their malicious fantasy version that suits their purpose. Let them have their fantasy, but don't get sucked into it, don't allow them to force you to live there with them.

You know who you are, you know who your son is. You don't need them to know it. Let them believe what they want.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 13/06/2015 12:04

I'm another one saying don't even try and work out how they could behave like this. Jealously and poison. That's it.

Distance is what you need. Far away and out of your brain.

It sounds like you live very close though?

Myricales · 13/06/2015 12:08

wasn't Hitler a devout Christian

At risk of re-Godwin-ing the Godwin, no, he wasn't, almost certainly not by the time he was in power.

Someone's MA dissertation (or at least, that's how it reads) forms the basis for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler, which is pretty even-handed.

diddl · 13/06/2015 12:16

It just doesn't make sense at all does it?

What does it matter to them if your son is talented or not?

Is their daughter?

Is it plain jealousy?

Iwonderif · 13/06/2015 12:24

SIL has been jealous of you since the very moment she met you. She's "made" her DH lean towards her way of thinking and acting so they are clearly a double act and he has no opinions or thoughts of his own. Lost his balls when he walked up the aisle towards her. MIL is a very sly character and SIL has made her "see" things regarding you & your family over the years and rather than her stick up for you & her other son she's simply gone along with it & is as bitchy and malicious as SIL.

Jealously is a dangerous thing. She's probably also over the years preferred your husband to her own so she's insanely jealous of practically everything you've got even down to your nickname.

Your DS is I'm sure doing absolutely brilliantly at his music and she can't stand it.

She's a nasty nasty piece of work. Sadly so is your MIL.

Luckily your DH is totally supportive in all this do I would limit contact with the 3 of them. They are not to be trusted. Surround yourself with decent caring people whom you can trust and enjoy being around. Being around those three loons must've been exhausting. Life's too short. Xx

PuppyMonkey · 13/06/2015 12:38

YANBU Grin

popcornpaws · 13/06/2015 12:46

When i read "they say they are loving christians" i just knew how this was going to pan out!
Live a happy life with your dh and children, don't let them bring you down or get in your head with their bullshit.
Billy Conellys latest quote about religion rings very true!

Meerka · 13/06/2015 12:49

It sounds like your SIL has a very big problem with you and frankly I think she's tried to take this problem out on your son, because she hates you.

You have objective outside evidence that your son's musical talent does exist, to whatever degree, from several sources: two teachers, accepted to youth orchestra, ability to replay once-heard tunes fairly accurately.

Therefore their assessment is wrong. As a music teacher she must know this. Therefore something else is going on.

She made that comment about your unborn baby. She has this weird attack on your name. Have there been other incidents or not? Then this about your son's musical ability.

I think that she's been trying to drive you away and that since you refused to be driven then she's using your son to get at you.

The Christianity thing is a (galling and unpleasant) red herring. What matters here is the pattern of behaviour and nature of incidents.

It would be interesting to hear why the genuinely-caring uncle could not attend the recital.

You're doing the right thing in trying to keep well away from her. It's fortunate that your son was not harmed by her.

Why is she doing it? well, with some mentally unhealthy people or with some people who are quietly malicious, they pick on one person and try to hurt them. It's often veryhard to pin down or for others to see it, as with her little nasty digs.

It's also unbearable for people like this to acknowledge what they are doing, specially if they have a heavily vested interest in being 'nice, good people' (christians tend to come with that mindset). So they are nice, good people in their own mind .. .so the malice is dressed up as 'concern' and they absolutely cannot face what they are doing with their left hand, while extending friendship and care with their right. False friends. So if you escape them, they hate it and try to get you back in.

I think that your best bet is to keep a record of their attempts to contact you (should be some on the itemized telephone bill) then to send them a letter saying "we do not wish any more contact from you and any further attempts will be considered harassment and taken to the police". Then back that up with action.

You are absolutely right to keep your son away from them and from yourselves.

rumbleinthrjungle · 13/06/2015 12:57

Er being Christian doesn't automatically make you a total bastard? Or a Nazi? I'm definitely getting by without mass genocide, or bludgeoning people with Praying For Them or Drenching Them In Love (of a highly suspect and weird kind) as these lunatics are doing.

It's rather like the whole MN MiL thing.

  1. Being a MiL does not automatically make you a complete batshit weirdo, most are perfectly nice, normal, sane people.
  2. The batshit weirdo ones are definitely around but they don't define the entire MiL population.
  3. Being a MiL does not entitle to you unleash the batshit weirdoism.
Meerka · 13/06/2015 13:00

Alternatively contact them all and say that based on their examples of christian love, such as hoping something bad will happen to your unborn child, you're all converting to Satanism

cozietoesie · 13/06/2015 13:02

Oh the Bible has reference to it, Meerka. Mathew 23.27 on whited sepulchres might be an interesting start for the OP - along, perhaps, with a read of Proverbs 26.23.

When I was a child, I lived next door to an allegedly God-fearing family - Closed Brethren I think - who had a teenage daughter. She acquired a boyfriend and was promptly kicked out of the house by her family. I suspect they felt very satisfied with their own actions.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 13/06/2015 13:10

I think its time to get an order banning them from contact with you. You dont want to speak to them, they are getting the hint. You have all the evidence taking to the police and get them warned.

DurhamDurham · 13/06/2015 13:23

I've just sat and read this entire thread, it's unbelievable. I mean i believe what the op is saying but I've never met people as strange as this.

Op for your own peace of mind and to protect your child from such toxic people the only thing you can do is ignore them completely, cut them off and move on. It sounds like sil especially has some issues of her own to deal with but that's not your problem.

Keep all texts/emails/letters incase you need them in the future but don't respond to a single one. It'll drive them crazy if they invest lots of energy in to trying to get a reaction from you and get nothing back. Just think of that if you get the urge to reply to one of their awful messages.

Good luck op stay strong Thanks