not tot want to eat halal meat?

[Charis1]

I am finding it harder and harder to avoid. I do my best to ensure any meat I eat has lived and died humanely, and I think a lot of halal meat dies cruelly. I don't want to eat it. But all meat provided at work is halal. Much of the places to eat out cheaply around work and home is halal, and I've even heard a lot of the local super market meat is also halal, even if it isn't marked.

Why can't we have an option of guaranteed non halal meat clearly marked and available?

YANBU. A lot of meat sold in UK supermarkets is halal and you literally have no way of finding out.

If it bothers you that much then find a good local butcher who knows his suppliers and ask him, he should know when it has come from, when and how it was slaughtered etc.

Why do people who moan about halal food rarely moan about kosher food?

I suppose because you don't 'accidentally' come across kosher meat, but there is plenty of halal meat in everyday use - school canteens, subway, fast food shops, isn't a high % of nz lamb unlabelled but halal?

No considering the life most food animals have, death is the very best thing that can happen to them.

The 'happy meat' argument is a complete fallacy, a panacea for the conscience.

How is it better to kill and eat the animal that is actually having a good life, surely it's better to kill the one in poor conditions, and we know they are, it's a mercy.

I'm veggie, have been for donkeys years. I became veggie in the 1980s and the meat industry was doing some pretty manky thinks with meat back then.

I really don't think its improved any in the 30 years since I decided that meat/fish/poultry was just far too yukky (and cruel) to eat.

I'm not sure that you can eat animals and truly care about their living/death methods.

Klayden what a ridiculous statement.

DoctorDonna I don't moan about food, except to expect it to be properly labelled, but where I live halal is the norm, whereas I would have to go to the specialised bit of the biggest waitrose around here to get labelled kosher food.

GobblersKnob what a pile of shit. You might as well argue that countries with the death penalty should also introduce mandatory torture if they won't abolish the death penalty because it would be kinder and make prisoners grateful to die.

GobblerKnob you don't actually believe that do you? Wtf!

Apparently the hind quarters of animals are not kosher so non stunned kosher meat is being sold on to supermarkets and suppliers and isn't labelled.
There doesn't seem to be much of an issue made of this by all those thinking halal is cruel.

I think there was an outraged group who wanted everyone to boycott mccains as they had a halal label on the packaging for chips.
If they wanted to boycott everything halal, the only thing they could eat would be pork, bacon and other pig products as all fruit, veg and grains are halal.

Doctordonnanoble - people often complain about kosher food as well as halal, but kosher food is generally done under tighter supervision, and not just, ie, through the playing of a tape. It's also quite a lot more expensive, so unlikely to turn up randomly.

500Decibels interesting to know about the fruit - what test does it need to pass to be halal? No pre-stunning required!

100% of Kosher meat is unstunned - just so you know

but the outrage is usually reserved for the 12/15% of Halal meat that is unstunned - funny that

personally I am firmly in the if you eat meat it's all kind of cruel camp - I loved the kittens quote up the page

I am sure animals aren't keen on dying full stop

Halal means 'allowed' lot's of things are halal not just food!

Yes, I do think those who argue it is okay to eat meat because it lived a good life are deluded, I am not by the way arguing to give all animals the shittiest life possible as we are going to kill them anyway and it makes it easier or something

I just don't think we should kill any, ever.

ghosty thanks - I'm not cut out to be religious too many rules - could not imagine being relieved that the packet of raisins etc I'm about to buy had been ok'd by a religion . The rules on mixing certain foods in Judaism makes me wonder if people had too much time on their hands way back that needed filling in some way...

Rules keeps you too busy to question. Plus gives some power tripper a nice stick to beat you with.

Most religions have sumptuary rules. Even Christians used to have rules about not eating meat on Friday or during Lent. Personally, I think it is positive that people are asked to think about what they're eating....

Yes because history has shown us that standard/Christian (?) methods of killing animals is always above bored

it wasn't so long ago there was horsemeat in minced beef!

Killing an animal is killing an animal I don't see how you can differentiate.

We buy most of out meat and veg from a Asian superstore as its waaaay cheaper and I feel like I'm holiday wandering around the lovely food

There's a real opportunity here for radical vegetarians and vegans. All they need to do is to go into the meat sections of supermarkets throughout the UK and loudly pray at the meat on offer. They can then watch in satisfaction as customers flee from the religious meat.

Agreed! In fact, I'm half tempted to hold a small ceremony in my living room for my (non-muslim, non-christian) religion, blessing ALL meat in this country just to render it inedible (apparently) to some of the people in this thread :p

I shall write a letter to the government after I have done it so they know they have to label all the meat to reflect this...

I do not wish to eat meat that's had its throat slit and been prayed over. I do not wish to eat religious meat.

God help any sheep farmers out there who happily sing hymns whilst they work eh?

So if I see someone in the meat aisle sprinkling the packs with water from a silver sugar shaker (rub a dub dub, thanks fir the grub) then i will know who it is...

chocolateyay same here, became veggie as a teen in the 80s and not touched it since.

No doubt the OP is off telling parents of children with certain SEN that those SEN don't exist.

This particular OP is well known over on the SEN boards for posting upsetting and provocative bullshit, designed to anger people.

And here she is with more provocative bullshit.

HQ? Any comments on this?

The UK Jewish population is 0.5%. The Muslim population is about. 4.5%. So even if equal amounts of kosher/halal food were made per head you'd still be more about 5 times more likely to encounter halal goods. In reality Jewish people are probably far less likely to stay strictly kosher or just observe it at certain times of the year.

The only figures I can find comparing the two markets are from 2002. Then the halal market was worth £2bn in the UK alone. The kosher market was £4billion for the whole of Europe.

And given we have a low % of Jewish people for Europe, plus that gap will be significantly wider now, people are massively more likely to inadvertently eat halal than kosher. So obviously halal would be of more concern.