not tot want to eat halal meat?

[Charis1]

I am finding it harder and harder to avoid. I do my best to ensure any meat I eat has lived and died humanely, and I think a lot of halal meat dies cruelly. I don't want to eat it. But all meat provided at work is halal. Much of the places to eat out cheaply around work and home is halal, and I've even heard a lot of the local super market meat is also halal, even if it isn't marked.

Why can't we have an option of guaranteed non halal meat clearly marked and available?

It is extremely extremely unlikely that anything that uses halal meat is not labelled as halal. Therefore marking anything as non-halal doesn't make sense, just don't buy anything that says halal on it.

OliveCane, do your research, an awful lot of halal meat isn't labeled.

Why would retailers not label it as halal if it halal? They would open it up to many more consumers? Or are they worried about the anti-muslim sentiment?

I think they believe that there would be a drop in sales.

And it's probably cheaper for a lot of places to source mainly halal but not bother with the expense of labelling it up, or keeping the non-labelled stuff in the conditions halal requires, like being kept seperate from pork products.

People are acting as though Muslims deliberately don't want meat being labelled. Almost like we are being blamed for it not being labelled. We don't care! What's it got to do with us?!

One of the arguments from the halal industry in Britain against the mandatory labelling of meat slaughtered in a halal way is that it will make halal meat prohibitively expensive for Muslims. This argument was advanced in a HoC select committee on the issue, I believe.

As far as I can remember, halal butchers need to sell the parts of an animal carcass that are haraam (the liver, for example) to non-Muslims in order for the halal cuts to remain reasonably priced for the Muslim consumer. The feeling was that if these cuts and organs were labelled as slaughtered according to sharia principles, non-Muslims would not purchase them, meaning that the halal cuts of the carcass that Muslims will eat would, therefore, become a lot more expensive as those cuts would have to bear the total cost of the animal.

The liver isn't haraam. In fact I am struggling to think of an animal part that is haraam to eat. Only blood is forbidden and I haven't seen that offered for sale to anyone.

I suspect the real reason that halal meat is often not labeled as such is that suppliers just source the cheapest meat they can find. Sometimes that may be halal and sometimes not so they don't want to tie themselves down to a specific supplier or kind of meat.

Also, leaving apart the fact that Muslims can and do eat all parts of the animal, if your argument were true then the offal wouldn't be halal and so wouldn't be labeled as such.

Do you know anyone who buys and eats offal anyway? I never see it in UK supermarkets and most people I know under 40 wouldn't eat it. It is not like it commands a decent price to start with.

Offal is definitely not Haram. I live in Saudi and the butcher counters are full of every single part of the animal.

Do you know anyone who buys and eats offal anyway? I never see it in UK supermarkets

Well, I have seen plenty of offal in supermarkets. Liver and kidneys are very common. Not sure where you get that idea from. Also Pate .

Although I have to say to altered, I'm not sure where you're looking but many supermarkets in the uk sell offal.

Maybe my brain zones it out. I am not a big fan!

Worksallhours your post is utter nonsense. Why do you make stuff up?

altered, if your argument were true then the offal wouldn't be halal and so wouldn't be labeled as such.

It would be if the labelling was about how the animal was slaughtered.

The point put forward was definately that parts of the carcass needed to be sold to a wider market so that halal meat hit a reasonable price point, and that labelling would jeopardise that.

500 ... Why do you make stuff up?

Prove I am making it up. Prove that the mandatory labelling of meat slaughtered according to sharia principles will not affect the price of halal meat to the detriment of Muslims who wish to purchase it.

Only blood is forbidden and I haven't seen that offered for sale to anyone

Black pudding anyone? And as for liver, I woudn't touch it with a bargepole, but in my last job, there was much excitement on liver and onions day (bleuch).

isn't black pudding made from pork though?

I have no idea... I've seen it being made and it isn't a pretty sight!

The whole carcass, except blood is halal to eat. Muslims eat heart, liver and even brains so they wouldn't t need to sell off haram parts if the carcass because there isn't any.

There is a lot of profit to be made in the halal meat market. You're deluded if you think there is any other reason why retailers are stocking it.
If there is a market for halal meat to be used in the mass market, it's only to maximise profits. I very much doubt is to keep halal meat cheap.
Halal meat has generally been cheaper than non halal.

I do think there should be clearer labelling but it won't affect most Muslims. The majority of Muslims I know prefer to buy fresh meat from a butcher.

Just to verify, took these pictures today at the carrefour in Granada mall Riyadh - offal is definitely on the menu.....

For any Christians here who object to halal meat because of any Muslim prayers, let me explain something. The words spoken before slaughter are these, 'in the name of God, the greatest', it's not even a prayer. Muslims believe in the God that created Adam and Eve, they believe in the God of Abraham, of Solomon, Lot and Jacob. He is the God of Moses and Noah, of Joseph, David, Jonah, Zacharia, John the Baptist. Muslims also belive in Jesus Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, one of the greatest of Prophets, who had the ability to perform miracles, the man who ascended to heaven and whom Muslims believe, like many Christians will return for the Second Coming. Muslims worship the God that Jesus Christ preached about, and that is the God by whose name they slaughter their animals with.

Some of us might either believe or not believe in a non Christian God, but certainly that a higher being should be considering animal welfare at the time of death and leading up to it, and that means the least cruel method possible, not reciting prayers. Many Muslim countries have an absolutely appalling record on animal welfare, despite the education that is available about better standards (its not all due to poverty) and that is a problem that needs to be addressed before trying to persuade Christians that they should welcome halal food because of some traits shared with Islam.

This is not as radical as it sounds, as there are examples of relatively primitive cultures which are neither Christian nor Muslim but which offer thanks to animals they kill for food for giving up their lives, so they can live. e.g. the Greenlandic Innuit and the Sami. They also believe in not taking more than is necessary and treating animals to be slaughtered with respect. But they're not Muslim, so their cultural practices tend to be open season for attack.

yanbu, halal meat is cruel and as someone else said, the way the animals are slaughtered is too similar for comfort to other things,

I realise people like to say there's a "racist undercurrent" to disapproving of cruel and barbarous behaviour, yet somehow people manage to think it anyway. How inconvenient that people are allowed to think what they like, perhaps the government can legislate against it.