not tot want to eat halal meat?

[Charis1]

I am finding it harder and harder to avoid. I do my best to ensure any meat I eat has lived and died humanely, and I think a lot of halal meat dies cruelly. I don't want to eat it. But all meat provided at work is halal. Much of the places to eat out cheaply around work and home is halal, and I've even heard a lot of the local super market meat is also halal, even if it isn't marked.

Why can't we have an option of guaranteed non halal meat clearly marked and available?

There's a food review on Ocado I saw recently. For a veggie pot noodle type thing. The reviewer said it wasn't tasty. But thing that put him/her off most apparently was that it was labelled 'halal'. A vegetarian dish. I reckon chips (if in sunflower oil not beef dripping of course) are Halal too.

It seems for some people (not saying it's true for anyone posting here) anything labelled Halal is to be avoided whether it involves ritual slaughter or not. What do I know though? Perhaps the noodles were prayed over before they were picked off the noodle tree?

Perhaps the noodles were prayed over before they were picked off the noodle tree?

Surely the halal label was just to indicate that it was fine for those who only eat halal to eat. Just like the vegetarian label means its fine for vegetarians to eat!

Pyjamas

It is an issue that we all know clearly what's what, including in restaurants. Eg if DS is going for a birthday treat with his schoolmates (mostly Muslim kids) then I will choose a different place than if he was going with some of his cousins (some Hindu, some Sikh). It makes a HUGE difference, so I always ask.

So vicious anti-French racism is ok, then?

i have seen a sheep slaughtered the halal way it died within seconds

i think all animals in slaughter houses are in fear i doubt stunning them just before their death makes much difference

" vicious anti-French racism "

'vicious' really?

Anything killed for meat has not been killed 'humanely'. Because it's not humane to kill a healthy animal. Telling yourself otherwise is just silly.

French-Bashing is not racist. It's xenophobic (much more socially acceptable, apparently...)

How do you even find meat that has lived and died humanely? You wouldn't find it in a supermarket would you? I know there is a company where you can buy 'humane' meat, you even know the name of the cow or pig you'll be getting - but it's hugely expensive.

Yes, xenophobic, that's the word I was groping for.

If not 'vicious' Sunny, then certainly with unseemly enthusiasm.

Humane
1.
having or showing compassion or benevolence.
"regulations ensuring the humane treatment of animals"
Oxford dictionary.

Humane slaughter
The RSPCA definition of humane killing is: 'an animal must be either killed instantly or rendered insensible to pain until death supervenes'. When killing animals for food (termed slaughter), this means they must be stunned prior to bleeding out so they immediately become unconscious.5 Sep 2014

It is entirely possible to slaughter humanely.

Quite so SurleyCue. It seems the desire to avoid Halal in that instance is less to do with the method of slaughter than - something else?

Anyway, as far as the OP is concerned - if they're still around - no it's not unreasonable to avoid any sort of food you may want to avoid for whatever reason. It's a free country and yes, such food should be labelled (but don't please get your knickers in a twist about Halal carrots). It might BU to expect a workplace or wherever to cater for a minority depending on numbers. So if few other people want to avoid Halal at work you may need to take the veggie option or bring sandwiches. The same would work the other way round IMO. I once worked in a place with around 50 employees with about 3-4 practicing Moslems who AFAIK would eat the veggie option, Halal being presumably unavailable. The other 2 Moslems would go down the pub with rest of us & down a few pints so I don't think they cared either way.

Humane killing is still kiling though yes the conditions of death are regulated but unless you kill your animal by surprise it isnt humane there is fear and stress in those animals just before they die a few seconds only makes a difference to us humans imo

There's a real opportunity here for radical vegetarians and vegans. All they need to do is to go into the meat sections of supermarkets throughout the UK and loudly pray at the meat on offer. They can then watch in satisfaction as customers flee from the religious meat.

I find people who want to eat 'humanely killed' meat quite bizarre. You're still eating an animal who was unsuspectingly murdered. Either you care for the welfare of animals or you don't. I'm not sure that you can eat animals and truly care about their living/death methods.

We have an amazing kosher bakery near us. It's constantly packet with Jews and non-Jews alike. I wonder if the poor inspecting Jews would be horrified to learn that their freshly cooked bagels have been "prayed over".

Surprising amount of people on here who actually seem to care about animals. Do you all eat meat?

* poor unsuspecting non Jews, obv.

YANBU

I find it depressing that the only option is to be veggie! Surely in this day and age it should be possible to kill animals in a humane way

I am not vegitarian anymore i used to be I think you can care how an animal is treated and stilleat meat yes I know that is a condratiction and im a hypocrite

Of course you can still care about how an animal is treated and still eat meat.

You just have to accept that we are omnivores and we are top of the food chain, its not difficult... I think most adults understand death and that it isn't particularly nice.

Nor is it hypocrisy for saying that you wish the animal doesn't suffer more than is humanly possible during the process going from farm to plate.

Surely in this day and age it should be possible to kill animals in a humane way

Humane costs more, lots more and is less possible due to legislation eg farmers aren't allowed to kill their own animals etc.

I'm another one though that fails to see how it can ever be considered humane to breed and then kill an animal.

I am a vegan, not a hypocrite BTW.

Many Jewish people cannot eat halal food and vice versa many Muslims will not eat kosher as they do not wish to eat food which has been involved in rituals from a religion other than their own (amongst other reasons). Sikh's will not eat either, many Hindus object too. As do some Christians.

I'm not sure why those of different beliefs or none should be less important. Surely a clear labelling system is in the interests of everyone concerned? If you're going to say people should simply go vegetarian if they don't want to eat halal then the same logic applies to those who do want to eat halal.

I suspect that what an awful lot of people actually mean when they mince their words over this issue is that they prioritise one religions beliefs over everybody else's and believe that all other people should fit in with those beliefs and that those beliefs should be accommodated above all others.

Which completely ignores the fact that Muslims would benefit from a clear labelling system just as much as anybody else would.