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Ds friend spends his bday money on them and friends parents want money back

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brownpaperbag2 · 06/06/2015 13:12

This time of year there are lots of summer fares - one for the primary school, one for the secondary school, one for the village, one for the football club, one for the scout group, etc. as a family we spend a lot at the fares we go to, about £60 at each. For this reason I pick the fares we want to support, primary and secondary schools in the main.

Today is the football fare and it is held in the local recreation ground. My ds doesn't play football, but he wanted to go. There is a bouncy castle and he is 8. I said no. He was called on by his friend who asked if he wanted to play and I said yes.

Unknown to me they went to the Park and the friend took his £90 birthday money and between them they spent it in 3 hours. Friends mum wasn't aware her son had taken his birthday money or that the recreation ground had a fare on. They went on the bouncy castle that is like an obstacle course which was 50p a go, a bungee game, and had burgers, tattoos, drinks etc

She just called to ask me for £45!!!!!

Am I being unreasonable to say no?

OP posts:
SomethingFunny · 06/06/2015 18:59

Re 8 yr old (boys) and change. I could ask my son to work out how much change from a £5 etc and he could do it easily. On his own buying something would he think "this costs x some I will need x change"? No way!! He'd go "here have the note" and wander off happily with his ice cream or whatever and never give a thought to change!

He's 8. He knows the theory. He doesn't put it into practice. Sadly this also applies to crossing roads etc (and therefore he doesn't go out alone).

sunseeker66 · 06/06/2015 19:07

I'm not sure if I would give the money back Op. My dd is 8 she has no real sense of money or cost at the moment so she would spend spend spend given the choice.

I can't imagine letting her out on her own though. I still hold her hand to cross roads.

Those that let 8 years olds out do they have a phone?, I just can't imagine not knowing where she was. My teen dd has a lot freedom but has her phone at all times.

Beth2511 · 06/06/2015 19:13

It's exactly the same as SomethingFunny says re the change, she can do the maths and knows the theory, but in practice, especially whilst excited it goes out the window!

Tequilashotfor1 · 06/06/2015 19:17

I think the op response was ok.

If it was one if my girls, they would have been bollocked and grounded for going to the fair when I'd said no.

The paying back is a different matter. And it's a lesson learned to both boys. I wouldnt pay them straight out of my purse at first demand. He would have to earn it bit by bit to show how long it takes to earn that kind of money.

SoupDragon · 06/06/2015 19:18

Finola well, yes. Clearly it can happen with 2 8 year old boys at a village fair where everyone knows everyone because that is what we have been told happened.

There is no reason to assume the friend's mother is running a scam or trying to pull a fast one over the OP. It is far more likely the boys blew the money on fun and crap.

Finola1step · 06/06/2015 19:27

You could well be right Soup. And by goodness, they must have had loads of fun doing it!

ElkTheory · 06/06/2015 19:29

This is a fascinating thread. I think if I were the OP I would be cross with my DS for going to the fair if I had expressly told him not to. However, I'm not entirely sure that was the case here. When the OP refused permission, was it more of a "No, you can't go, I don't want to take you" or "You are forbidden to go to the fair with anyone"?

As for the other boy, I think it is up to his parents to supervise his spending and access to cash. If he got his hands on this rather impressive sum of money and chose to splash out at the fair and treat his friend, then that is a matter for his parents to deal with. OTOH, I think it's reasonable for the OP to remind her son that he shouldn't take advantage of his friend's generosity, and paying him back at least some of the money would be a nice thing to do.

Of one thing I am sure. It was quite unreasonable and cheeky of the other boy's mother to ask for half the money. If the OP offers, that's one thing. To ask for it is something else again.

ShelaghTurner · 06/06/2015 19:34

I wouldn't give any money back. Sons friend took his own birthday money and spent it. The fact that he squandered it on what the parents didn't want is beside the point. That's for them to sort out with him. My child would be getting a bollocking for disobeying my instructions. My dd1 is 7 and although she gets £2 a week pocket money, I think she would struggle to understand the value of £90. Neither child can be blamed and the birthday boy was ultimately spending his own money.

winewolfhowls · 06/06/2015 19:42

Personally i dont understand posters saying how the other boy has been 'punished' or 'foolish' for spending his birthday money on a day out. Sounds like a good and kind use of money to me. And as he won't realise the value of what hes lost, how many toys etc it could buy, so until his mum made a fuss he probably had no regrets at all!

Ninety quid tho...agree with others that i dont think the two of them spent all that

winewolfhowls · 06/06/2015 19:43

After all, plenty adults spend lots of money on spa days etc

MTWTFSS · 06/06/2015 19:55

How did an 8 year old have access to £90 in cash?!? Shock In my days relatives would give money in the form of cheques and it would go straight in my savings account!

Pippa12 · 06/06/2015 20:24

Totally deluded to think that living in a small town/village means children are void from tragedy.

Pippa12 · 06/06/2015 20:25

I'd be annoyed if DH spent £90 on an all day drinking session in Manchester!

Cinderling · 06/06/2015 20:28

Wow! There are so many POVs to consider here; it's not a straightforward situation.

First off, my eldest is 6 so I really have no idea what an 8 year old is or isn't capable of grasping. When I was 8 we didn't have a lot of cash about, and several of my friends didn't even get pocket money. It wasn't unusual if someone had a windfall that they would treat their friends. So I don't think that there was anything especially wrong in your son, letting his friend spend his money on him. As a child we would have judged the fairness of this on everyone getting an equal share, and if there was an uneven amount to be divvied up then the person who brought the bounty got a slightly bigger share. And that applied whether it was money, cake, sweets, or turn s on the skipping rope. If the amount here had been a fiver or a tenner, I don't think it would have been an issue. Would we have had enough sense as kids to realize that we shouldn't spend such a large sum? Honestly I'm not sure. We never had the opportunity to find out!

I'm also not really astonished at the amount they spent. A day out at a fair is an expensive day out. It creeps up on you. When we go we take a specific amount of cash and no more, and usually negotiate with the kids how to spend the last of it to teach them to make choices, and to understand that no more money means just that. (DH too as he loves to treat them and finds it tough to say no) Credit cards and debit cards have made money more abstract on a daily basis it can be very unclear to kids why you won't buy them what they ask for when you clearly have a magic card to pay for anything you want. When I was little we spent pennies at the shop, 1p = 1 sweet, and it wasn't hard to grasp. Now you have to start with numbers like 20 and 50 before kids have managed to count to 5, and why is a coin with a 1 on it worth more than one with a 10? It has become really complicated. I think I definitely had a better grasp of money at 3 than my 6 year old has now. I can totally see how a pair of 8 year olds, could spend that much money, and just imagine how much fun they had doing it.

OP, I'm wondering when you told your DS that he couldn't go to the fair, did you give a reason for that? I can imagine in my house, I would probably have explained that we couldn't afford to go to every fair…. that we had been to this fair recently….that we were going to that fair soon…..that it's expensive. And maybe one little boy told the other that his mum wouldn't let him go to the fair because she hadn't enough money, and then another little boy has a lightbulb moment and voila, problem solved, both little fellas head off the the fair, never imagining for a moment that anyone would have a problem with it. Pure speculation, of course, and I'm not suggesting that they be absolved from the responsibility but it's easier to teach children the lesson they need to learn if you can figure out what they were thinking when they did it.

As I see it, your DS shouldn't have gone to the fair without checking back in with you first to see if it was ok. If he decided to disobey you and go anyway, then deal with that. But it is possible that he figured that your reason for not going had been dealt with, and therefore it was ok to go. But he failed to consider that you wouldn't know where he was if there was an emergency, and that wasn't ok. That's not disobedience, as much as thoughtlessness. I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't be a consequence, but that it needs to be for the right offense!

As for the money, I think I would let him know that the other mum is asking that he pay back his share, and help him work out why this is such a big issue for the adults and what he can do to make amends (chores, etc.) Obviously, there's a considerable probability that I'm being totally naive because I really don't know much about 8 year olds and you are in a much better position to judge his level of awareness. But it is worth taking into account that children think differently to adults, and if you involve him in the figuring out a solution it will probably be a life lesson that he takes on board rather than a punishment that he resents because it seems unfair. Obviously if he understood what he was doing, and cynically manipulated his friend into spending all his money, then that's a different story. But in my experience most kids are a bit daft rather than devious. But maybe I'm about to get a rude awakening in the next two years!!

I'm a bit Shock at the other mum demanding money off you, but in her shoes I'd probably be mortified that my child was out splashing cash around like that, and be apologizing for what happened. I have a tendency to blame myself for stuff first before I think it through properly. I suspect that maybe she might be the opposite and start by blaming someone else? But if she thinks that your son suggested/ requested the money (and I can easily imagine one 8 year old saying to another "did you get money for your birthday…why don't we use that?" being logical rather than underhand) and egged her son on to spend it then I can understand where she is coming from. I don't think it is totally reasonable to expect you to pay for something that wouldnt have happened if she had been more careful with the money/but neither is is entirely unreasonable to expect your son to make amends for his share of the crime. And if she is this confrontational with you, I can easily imagine her son being a little less than totally truthful about who said and did what and your son being painted as the villain of the piece.

The part I can't figure out is what she intends to do with your £45. How is her son going to pay back his share? Then does he get the whole £90 back, or does she keep it? Possibly it's one of those households where the kids birthday money gets absorbed into the housekeeping?

Reasonable or not, I'd probably pay her the £45. Maybe ask her over for tea by way of apology, let her know you were also shocked by what happened and have a chat about what you are both doing so that you can send the same message to the boys. Chances are she is frothing at what she imagines is your bad parenting, or your son's bad character. It might help bring it into perspective and it would be a pity if in the fallout from all of this was that the two boys couldn't be friends.

Cinderling · 06/06/2015 20:30

Sorry that went on a bit

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 06/06/2015 20:31

MTW - ds's birthday money sits in the kitchen cupboard in a tin. He could sneak it out if he dared!

Inkanta · 06/06/2015 20:38

I also think your son must have known this was wrong - spending his friend's money - so much of it! At 8 years old he's not a baby.

Starlightbright1 · 06/06/2015 21:04

My DS is 8. I put his birthday money in my bank account so it wasn't lying around the house and he could spend it as he wanted...

He wouldn't be allowed to a fair..I can say I have seen some shocking bartering for stuff...He told me he had traded some of his own breath for a football card.. I saw a high school boy the other day sell 10 chips for £1... so lets not assume either child knew the value of £90

I can't help thinking this would be one of those days they talk about when they are all grown up.

I am not sure what I would do but maybe give the £20 he has..I am not sure why your DS would have to do chores and not other child.

We did a car boot once and raised around that amount with DS toys..He needed nothing so we spent half term doing some great fun things funded by this Car boot. He still talks about it 18 months later.

Just to add though if I was other parent I would be furious with my own son and not asking for the cash unless there was any kind of coercion.

I think you need to get more details on how the money was spent

Taytocrisps · 06/06/2015 21:04

Great post Cinderling - you're the voice of reason.

I told DH and he laughed and said there's no way you should have to pay the money back - the boy spent his birthday money on what he wanted.

He also said it reminded him a bit of the story about two Dublin boys who mitched off school and ended up in New York!

CrapBag · 06/06/2015 21:11

I find it very difficult to believe they went through the whole £90 tbh, even with the prices you stated.

I wouldn't be paying it. It was the boys choice to sneak his birthday money put and spend it on your DS. No 8 year old is going to turn down the offer of someone buying him food and treats like that. He isn't going to think too much about where it's come from.

It's a harsh lesson for the other boy that he has wasted his birthday money. That's not your concern imho. The other mum is being cheeky in asking you for it. She should consider it a lesson learned.

Inkanta · 06/06/2015 21:15

I think kids know when they're spending too much. They're not stupid and lets not assume they are. What would concern me most is if my child was taking advantage (or exploiting) another's generosity, which I think OPs son may have been doing.

ReadtheSmallPrint · 06/06/2015 21:24

I bet the other boy doesn't thnk he wasted the money at all. I bet he had a great time with his mate spending his money exactly how he wanted rather than on bits of Chinese plastic that his mum 'approved' of. Maybe he'll think differently when he wants to buy a new toy and doesn't have the money, but he'll have learnt a valuable lesson about impulse spending.

ReadtheSmallPrint · 06/06/2015 21:28

DS is 8. If his friend came over and said 'let's go to the park, I've got my birthday money and we can spend it on the fiar', he would just be really thankful and happy and it wouldn't occur to him to ask if his friend was allowed to spend the money on the fair or not. Then again, DS never has his hands on cash that he isn't allowed to spend.

BeCool · 06/06/2015 21:29

The friends mum is responsible for your son while he is in her care isn't she? I'd be pretty pissed off she let him go off to fair unsupervised without checking with me first.

As for the £90, I wouldn't be paying anything. She sounds very disconnected from her sons life - it's a lesson learned for everyone.

candlesandlight · 06/06/2015 21:35

How come no one knew what was happening at the park in a "little village" and if no one had seen the boys for a few hours did no one think that they may have gone to the park ?

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