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Inviting whole class but one child.

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OstentatiousBreastfeeder · 04/06/2015 12:29

I never thought I'd start this thread! I feel like a prick even considering it, but here goes.

DS is 4. He has his fifth birthday coming up and it just so happens that the softplay we're booked with has a really good deal on parties of 25+ children, so we've decided to invite the whole class.

There is a little boy (let's call him Frank) in the class who is really quite horrible to DS. For some inexplicable reason though, DS was always desperate to play with him despite the punching and kicking he'd receive Hmm, and he insisted that he wanted Frank at his party.

That was until he got invited to and went to Frank's party the other week. I dropped him off (which was expected and the norm round these parts - I wasn't worried as there were lots of Frank's family helping out) and returned two hours later to find DS tearful and huddled in the corner of the hall with his shoes and coat by him, waiting for me. Apparently Frank had spent the entire time chasing DS and pushing him over, stamping on his feet and being horrible. DS had tried to tell an adult and said that Frank had been told off a couple of times, but he just kept doing it. When DS tried to hide from Frank, he found him and was mean. I know most mothers will say this but DS wouldn't hurt a fly, he's really (sometimes too) sensitive and I think he liked the fact that Frank was so unlike him.

Apart from this experience making me feel like the worst mother in the world for leaving him there alone, it's made DS not want to be Frank's friend anymore. They no longer play at school and he doesn't want him to come to his party.

But I'm inviting the WHOLE CLASS. I can't leave Frank out, can I? He may not be very nice but that's too cruel, isn't it? At the same time I don't want DS to feel his feelings aren't important. I also don't want Frank to spend two hours walloping people at DS' party.

WWYD?

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Shelby2010 · 04/06/2015 14:14

To be fair, if you leave it a week you might very well find that DS wants Frank as his best friend again.

OstentatiousBreastfeeder · 04/06/2015 14:19

Kew I keep changing my mind. I feel like inviting less people would be a good solution, as he wouldn't be isolated then, but that feels a bit weak to be honest.

If I don't invite him he will know. He's friends with DS' little circle of friends and they will talk about it. That would be horrible.

But then what about DS? If I write out an invite for Frank anyway what am I saying to him? "He hits you and calls you names but he's coming because it might hurt his feelings"

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Lovemylittlebear · 04/06/2015 14:32

Don't invite him, your poor little boy - his parents should have made sure your little boy wasn't being bullied if they noticed it on 2 occasions. Hopefully they won't notice if you don't broadcast it too loudly. If they do you can just take the brunt of it for your son and politely tell them that you are sorry but your son is frightened of frank as he has been hurting him. Yes you can't really leave a child out but if someone did that to my child and you knew his parents wouldn't be 'on it' at the party to make sure it didn't happen then NO I wouldn't put my child through it. Even if you invite him and your family/friends tell him off a lot it's not going to be nice for your son and his parents then may get pissed off and defensive anyway so you are between a rock and a hard place xx

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 04/06/2015 14:32

REALLY tricky.

We've had this with a very sly kid (now 10).

We agonised, but decided to do the 'FrankPatrol' idea.
It was a swimming pool party - just 5 of them - the whole friendship group, would have been really obvious to leave him out.

He grabbed ds head by the hair and held it under the water whilst grinning.
I immediately told him to stop or he would be out, driven home, and his parents informed before his feet hit the ground.
The 2nd time he tried (immediately after) the lifeguard threw him out of the pool, never mind us.

He wont come again. Nor to our house. Anywhere near, in fact.

Funnily enough another of the 'group' left my ds out of his next party.
Ds was terribly hurt. Sad

WorraLiberty · 04/06/2015 14:33

This is another reason why I can't stand this whole class party culture.

10 or 12 close friends has to be better than putting up with kids you don't like, just because they're in your class.

Kewcumber · 04/06/2015 14:34

I agree with you Ostentatious which is why I would go for a smaller party - why is that weak? I don;t think telling DS he has to invite Frank is great and I don;t think leaving frank out is great either. This is one of the reasons why whole class parties die out very quickly - because you shouldn't invite people you don't want to your own party but that doesn't give you licence to be cruel to small children who might not be very understanding of their own behaviour but have an absolute understanding that they are the only one in the class not invited. Surely your DS can see that wouldn;t be a kind thing to do?

The other reason whole calss parties die is because at some point you have a whole class party at a soft play and you swear "never again"!

UglyJellyShoes90 · 04/06/2015 14:34

I certainly wouldn't be inviting the little brat and I can't believe that others are saying it's cruel to exclude him Hmm. Far crueler to ruin your own dcs birthday just to save face.

And if anyone questioned my decision, I would be telling them why.

Kewcumber · 04/06/2015 14:35

YEs because thats the only choice - invite him or reject him and only him... Hmm no-one has suggested a compromise, no siree...

LeChien · 04/06/2015 14:38

If you write out an invitation for Frank, you could easily say to your son that you know he has hurt him, but it's mean to leave one child out of the whole group, and you will make sure that he definitely isn't hurt at his own party.

Or have a smaller party which is likely to be far more enjoyable for all involved.

FishWithABicycle · 04/06/2015 14:39

I think it's fine to not invite Frank. The normal principle that it's mean and unfair to exclude a single child doesn't apply if that child has been deliberately violent to the birthday child.

BarbarianMum · 04/06/2015 14:40

Fish if the child in question were 10 I'd agree with you. Or 8, even. But he's not, he's just turned 5.

GatoradeMeBitch · 04/06/2015 14:42

I wouldn't invite my child's bully to his party, especially if he does not want him there. Invite him and you'll be stressed out watching the kid the whole time. It would basically be a reward for hitting your child. He needs the punishment instead - why didn't I get to go to DS's party? Because you are mean to him and hurt him. If you play nicely we will invite you next time.

Thruaglassdarkly · 04/06/2015 14:42

No way, don't invite him! What message does it send to your boy when you go against his wishes like that? You run the risk of him being anxious in the run up and during the party. Frank's happiness in not YOUR responsibility. Your own child's is. If Frank wants to keep behaving like a little shit, then he'll soon learn the consequences.

I would never usually condone leaving one child out by the way, but on this occasion, you are perfectly justified.

Please, do not invite Frank and don't feel like a twat about giving your child a nice, stress free party.

ThatDidntQuiteGoToPlan · 04/06/2015 14:44

I wouldn't invite him. Your son should be able to enjoy his party without worry about Frank.

Kewcumber · 04/06/2015 14:44

Have you seen a bunch of reception kids recently - they'd still be at nursery anywhere else! You can;t punish them for something week later and expect them to have any kind of insight into it being a punishment.

DS couldn;t associate punishment the next day with the deed at this age.

Single him out if you wish but don't pretend its any kind of educational thing!

OstentatiousBreastfeeder · 04/06/2015 14:44

Kew you're right. I think I need to ditch the idea of a whole class party. It's the only way really.

It's a shame because we're having the whole place to ourselves and a big bouncy castle so 30 kids would have been brilliant. I'll see where I can make the numbers up from.

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OliveCane · 04/06/2015 14:45

I would invite him and then give him a lecture! (and terrify the naughty sod)

Kewcumber · 04/06/2015 14:48

30 kids would have been brilliant

HA ha ha ha ha !

No.

It wouldn't. Trust me on this.

Invite 18 from school and 7 from somewhere else. We once invited sibling where it seemed appropriate.

LeChien · 04/06/2015 14:49

Oh yes, a lecture would really sort him out Hmm

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 04/06/2015 14:52

Have you not raised this with Frank's mum at all? Especially after what happened at his party?

woolymum · 04/06/2015 14:52

it is completely unfair to insist on a kid coming to your house when it is your ds's birthday and he has outright said otherwise.
not sure about invited a full class bar him though and would reduce the numbers.
If i was on speaking terms with the mum I'd also tell her frank was invited until the last party and while you are sure it will completely blow over and next time frank will be guest of honour, at the mo he is distressed at the idea. they are only kids, it won't last and am sure that it will blow over as long as they are not forced together.
if someone said that to me i'd understand

Maryz · 04/06/2015 14:54

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drspouse · 04/06/2015 14:55

Invite 18 from school and 7 from somewhere else. We once invited sibling where it seemed appropriate.

Oh good idea. Have a medium sized party (30 will be insanity) but with about 2/3 classmates and 1/3 siblings where you know the family.

JustLikeMe · 04/06/2015 14:56

Well I think the issue at Frank's party is the parents fault. They clearly saw that something was up but weren't ready to really deal with it. 'A bit rough' is NOT what has happened there.
Maybe there wasn't enough adults around, maybe they don't see it as an issue, I don't know but this is an issue with Frank's parents.

I'm not sure why you have been so nice to Frank's parents and didn't tell them that it wasn't ben a bit rough. Your ds was really scared and upset. Upset enough that he went from wanting him at his party to refusing to play with him at school.
As it stands, because you haven't really made a point when you could, a non invite will look very surprising to Franck and his parents.

How big is the soft Play? Will they automatically be on the top of each other and is it possible to supervise that closely?
Depending on that, I would or not invite him (ie big place is a yes, supervision possible is a yes, no supervision or a small place is a no)

Justusemyname · 04/06/2015 15:00

My son is in a class of ten. Everyone except him was invited to a party. He told me he doesn't like this child so I doubt he is that bothered but it makes me think less of the mother, and tbh I think nothing of her in the first place. I wouldn't want to host this child so ds won't have a party and will get an extra gift instead. If he takes in chocolate he will give one to this boy.

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