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AIBU to ask people to use 020 as the dialling code for London ?

164 replies

NetworkGuy · 28/05/2015 11:55

A long while back, the code was 01, then (in preparation for expanding the number space,) Oftel split the 01 code to be 071 and 081, later on, large cities had an extra '1' inserted, so Birmingham became 0121, and London numbers 0171 (inner) and 0181 (outer).

Later on still, there was the introduction of completely new ranges of numbers such as 023, 024, 028 (NI), 029 (Wales, currently only in use in Cardiff) and for London, 020

That's 020 not 0207, 0208 (and even London's Evening Standard paper had it wrong when proclaiming "0203 is a new code for London").

Incidentally there are also 020 0xxx xxxx numbers (used for call centres and normally unknown, but reached via 0800, 0845, 0870, 03xxx dialling codes for businesses).

*So the actual range of numbers for London is currently:

020 0xxx xxxx
020 3xxx xxxx
020 7xxx xxxx
020 8xxx xxxx*

Initially the 7xxx and 8xxx series were still the "inner" and "outer" London areas, but later on, once the "7" and "8" were in place, it meant that 020 7123 and 020 8123 could be used, and be in completely random areas of Greater London (and while BT exchanges covered only small areas, the numbers from cable firms like Virgin Media can be spread over several miles as there's not the same geographic constraints).

Why am I bothered, you may ask?

Well, the original reason for splitting the dialling "area" code from the "local" part of the number was because anyone in the area can dial without needing to add the "area" code. So in London, you can dial a local number just dialling the last 8 digits (unless it is 020 0xxx xxxx - these are defined as "National dialling" only).

I'm bothered because it is really easy to show the number the correct way, and a matter of laziness and error (brought about by poor example in the media) which has led to most Londoners being unable to show their number in the correct form. When there's some problem overseas, the error is further promoted because the Foreign Office number shown on news broadcasts (020 7xxx xxxx) is shown as 0207 xxx xxxx so no wonder few people seem capable of getting it correct. I'm not saying they are "thick", just misinformed!

Few other places have this problem, though for a while, when some other numbers (Bristol and Reading, I think) were changed to 011x xxx xxxx there were examples with spurious digits in the wrong place (making the number, if dialled, either be unavailable, or a wrong number). That was down to residents just not following the examples (because Leicester, Sheffield, Nottingham and Leeds were not affected the same way).

I understand that when the '3' series runs out, there will be '6'xxx numbers, all still using the 020 area code. Only people outside need to dial 020, or, of course, someone using a mobile phone. I believe the media are responsible for confusing the public, mostly by showing numbers as 0207 or 0208 when the "gap" should have been present. TV news and adverts have continued to show the wrong form of number (ie they show 0207 xxx etc, not 020 7xxx) and what just "did it" for me was seeing a business (which is associated with Mumsnet users trialling its service) showing 0203 xxx xxxx as their help line number.

I know many people use mobile phones, so there's no "space" shown if you see a number displayed, but given there is a standard laid down, it makes most sense if everyone follows it.

Finally, some time back I did get DCMS (which is responsible for Media) to correct their Press Releases (to show 020 xxxx xxxx rather than the wrong form of number).

After all, if a Government department most closely connected with the perpetrators of misinformation are themselves "getting it wrong" then what hope that the advertising and media firms follow their bad habits, taking their (bad) example ?

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BeCool · 28/05/2015 23:07

Mintyy - some time ago UK phone numbers were changed to 8 digits. So the 3 4 formation was done away with.

BeenWondering · 28/05/2015 23:09

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 I'm not at all joking! I also saw you on the fire safety thread discussing the ins and outs of the 'scream like a girl' comment. Consider yourself fab! I certainly do.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 28/05/2015 23:11

Wow I will then! What a good evening, I have a slice of cheesecake, and someone thinks I'm fab Grin Thanks Smile

By the way you are lovely too Wink

Fatmomma99 · 28/05/2015 23:12

OK. Don't know why, but something made me go back. I'm on page 2 (3 to go). Again, don't know why, but I'm gauffawing out loud (why???) Is it the mix about wtf? and people posting numbers. I'm tempted to give my phone number.

I'm also wondering if it's going to come out when networkguy last had sex (if ever) and I'm also strangely drawn to offering myself to him for sexual purposes, although I am happily married and have strong feelings against infidelity.

I will keep reading... (op: &!%( *) /£"% [number hidden by MNHQ])

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 28/05/2015 23:12

That wasn't supposed to come out flirty by the way!

BeCool · 28/05/2015 23:16

When you put time and effort into designing new business stationary and use 0207 or 0208 or 0203 you look as daft as a brush and out of touch.

I can't believe it happens so often.

Fatmomma99 · 28/05/2015 23:20

MissBattleAxe (also lurve HH), I also call Cif Jiff, and never buy it because it doesn't work.

I LOVE that people who admit to caring, didn't even read the whole OP, whiilst (who doesn't give a shit) read the whole thing, and every post). Can't think why, but laughed my pants off!

6cats3gingerkittens · 28/05/2015 23:20

You poor sod. I thought my life was boring.
I don't care about phone numbers as long as day follows night. Try collecting stamps or train spotting, much more stimulating.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 28/05/2015 23:23

Well no but say take my dad who has had the same 7 digit phone number for 40 years. The prefix changes, and you remember the new prefix, the phone number remains the same 7 digit number. Then this 020 8 business comes and from his perspective, he still has the same 7 digit phone number that he has committed to memory 40 years ago, and it has yet another different prefix.

People who do this, it's to do with having the same phone number for years and having the prefix (or later, what feels like a prefix but apparently isn't) changed the whole time. Or even if they don't, it's the pattern of the thing, the cadence, that people are so very used tol. Maybe it happens more in areas where people don't move around much, so always have the same or similar phone numbers.

Anyway, I don't there's really no reason to hate people who do it Smile Round here it's about 50/50 which people use and we all get along perfectly well, it's no trouble at all.

Pseudonym99 · 28/05/2015 23:34

London has only one dialing code, and it is 020 xxx xxxx. It used to be 01 xxx xxxx, then changed to 071 xxx xxxx for inner London and 081 xxx xxxx for outer London.

071 and 081 became 0171 xxx xxxx and 0181 xxx xxxx respectively, then these changed to 020 7xxx xxxx and 020 8xxx xxxx to make is easy to know what your new number would become. So although most numbers in inner London are 020 7xxx xxxx, inner London can also have 020 8xxx xxxx numbers, or even 020 3xxx xxxx. If you are dialing another London number from within the London dialing code, you can dial eight numbers - so if your full number is 020 7123 4567, you can dial 8987 6543 in order to reach 020 8987 6543.

Most people in London do not know what their dialing code is, and I don't know if I would trust the competence of a company who write it incorrectly on their vans or business cards.

THE DIALING CODE FOR LONDON IS 020. NOT 0207, 0208, 0203 or 0200.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/020

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/05/2015 23:36

You need to get out more, but YANBU - mark of a true Londoner is giving your number as 7642 3421 or whatever WITHOUT the 020.

Wellwellwell3holesintheground · 28/05/2015 23:36

I live in Bristol. 0117 - except when they changed it lots of numbers then started with a 9. So people say 01179 ***. Which is completely wrong and stupid as not all of the numbers start with a 9. It drives me insane and it does matter. If you are in Bristol dialling a Bristol number, missing the 9 out won't work.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 28/05/2015 23:36

I have this difficulty with NI numbers that have changed, I moved away 20-odd years ago and the numbers I remember go; 02890-[oldnumber]. Except for the people who, it turns out, live outside the belfast zone, who are now 028 [surprise!][oldnumber].

And then, when you're actually visiting the area, and borrowing a landline, it's even more baffling. "Muuuuuuuum! How do I call Lisburn?"

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 28/05/2015 23:38

MIL still answers the phone with 'Ealing 1234' or local equivalent. I find it quaintly endearing. Grin It's like phoning the 30's.

Preciousbane · 28/05/2015 23:40

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Pseudonym99 · 28/05/2015 23:44

What annoys me is people living in Croydon thinking they live in Surrey. Croydon has not been in Surrey since 1965, and Middlesex has not existed since then either!

Fatmomma99 · 28/05/2015 23:53

Does anyone else wonder if MN is too London-centric?

Wellwellwell3holesintheground · 28/05/2015 23:57

Everything is too London-centric.

katese11 · 28/05/2015 23:59

Are you my old boss? She was bothered by it too, so in deference to her I always split it correctly...But I can't say I lose sleep over it like you seem to!
I do however know a lot of postcodes off by heart ;)

NetworkGuy · 29/05/2015 00:00

"I've been ignoring this thread for a couple of days"

That's difficult as I only started the thread 12 hours, 5 minutes ago :)

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Fatmomma99 · 29/05/2015 00:03

Feels like longer!

DawnOfTheDoggers · 29/05/2015 00:08

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 29/05/2015 00:09

These numbers sound so weird to me! I'm used to a 5 digit area code and 6 digit numbers.

So for local numbers, I give/dial only 6 numbers.

CuttedUpPear · 29/05/2015 00:13

YABU
Because it's booooooorring.

Go and eat some buns. Cake