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Who is unreasonable? what does MN think of this?

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ollieplimsoles · 11/05/2015 17:55

this story just broke on social media, (hope you can all see it)

www.facebook.com/donna.m.beegle/posts/816056981803855

That is the mothers account of what happened, very mixed responses from the commenters, what does everyone think?

Here is a news report of it:
7online.com/news/parents-plan-legal-action-after-daughter-with-autism-kicked-off-flight/713012/

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soapboxqueen · 11/05/2015 20:27

Boney therefore people with disabilities should expect to have to fly first class and pay for the privilege?

soapboxqueen · 11/05/2015 20:28

Other people could have been upset by it but it could have been avoided by giving the child the meal.

NRomanoff · 11/05/2015 20:30

tiz some one with ceoliacs or diabetes would not have been catered for. There was no catering for those seats. Passengers are expected to bring their own.

Where food is served they are catered for with when notified in advance. It's not comparable. If a person with diabetes happened to not have something with them thriughbpoor planning, they would have to purchase something.

BoneyBackJefferson · 11/05/2015 20:32

soapboxqueen
"Boney therefore people with disabilities should expect to have to fly first class and pay for the privilege?"

You can try and twist what I posted all you want, there is no link between disabled people getting on planes first and not planning for food requirements on a plane.

Tizwailor · 11/05/2015 20:34

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NRomanoff · 11/05/2015 20:42

But they offered to pay for food.

Its not that difficult to understand. Planes do not carry spare hot food. The staff took so long probably as they were trying to see what they had left, if anything at all. They can't just not give a passenger food they booked because someone else claims their child will become violent if they don't. A diabetic would have to purchase a snack or cold food.

NRomanoff · 11/05/2015 20:43

Other people could have been upset by it but it could have been avoided by giving the child the meal.

because its just that easy 36,00 feet in the air.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/05/2015 20:46

I'm not sure if you can set then autism aside or not, but the most important point to me was that the mother warned the flight clue that her adult sized daughter could become violent during the flight.

I am not surprised that they were offloaded at the earliest opportunity. Surely it would be irresponsible for the pilot to fly if they knew there was a potentially violent passenger?

DisappointedOne · 11/05/2015 20:48

What if instead of the hot food scenario, the child would refuse to eat anything but custard. Whose responsibility would it be then to supply something to match the specific requirements?

Tizwailor · 11/05/2015 20:53

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Aermingers · 11/05/2015 20:58

From the way she discusses it, you can't say for certain, but there's more than a hint she has done this before, e.g. 'Never had a problem before'. It sounds like she regularly pulls this. Probably because she often gets a free meal out of it.

And the responsibility for her daughter is hers. Other people on the flight had booked meals and planned ahead? Why should one of the mîss out because this woman was prepared to issue threats?

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ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:02

Maybe they didn't have any hot food left. You can't give what you don't have.

ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:07

I do think though that if it was a case of them not having any hot food left they could have told the family. Or maybe they did explain why?

Still, you can't magic food out of the air.

Liara · 11/05/2015 21:09

Its not that difficult to understand. Planes do not carry spare hot food. The staff took so long probably as they were trying to see what they had left, if anything at all. They can't just not give a passenger food they booked because someone else claims their child will become violent if they don't. A diabetic would have to purchase a snack or cold food.

Actually that's not true. I have travelled loads and used to have a stated preference in my profile. There was often an issue with it and I was usually given the first class menu and told to choose whatever I wanted from it (I wasn't in first class)

soapboxqueen · 11/05/2015 21:11

The food was on the plane. They refused to give it because she was in economy not because they didn't have it. Which leads me to believe that she could not have ordered food for the same reason.

She took the preventative steps of bringing snacks and hoped that the hot sandwich which was offered would be enough. It may have been on any other occasion. Unless security on American flights is different she couldn't take hot food with her.

When the flight staff refused she tried to get them to understand that her daughter's autism wasn't a choice. Considering that people in schools and hospitals don't understand autism when they bloody should, I doubt the staff on a plane would have seen anything more than a stroppy child. Then totally over reacted to what a meltdown could mean.

Now it is entirely possible that this mum was a mardy entitled cow. She may have set the whole thing up. However we can't know that.

At the very least the airline needs to train their staff better and allow more information to be included on booking eg hot food can be ordered in economy for disabled passengers.

I appreciate that this was in America but the equality act here would absolutely mean that they should have treated the girl more favourably eg give her a meal in economy when others couldn't have it. If the alternative meant she is treated less favourably eg chucked off the plane.

ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:13

Liara obviously in your case there was food left. There may well may not have been any food left to give to this girl.

I don't know why other posters are having such a hard time grasping this though. If there was no food left do you think the crew should have just magicked some food out of the air for her? Confused

Tizwailor · 11/05/2015 21:14

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soapboxqueen · 11/05/2015 21:14

There was food because they have it to her before she landed. They said she couldn't have the food because she was in economy not first class.

ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:15

The food was on the plane.

And you know this, how exactly?

soapboxqueen · 11/05/2015 21:16

She was apparently eating it

ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:18

Okay, I missed the part where she was given a meal in the end.

However you're completely ignoring the fact that people aren't removed from planes without good reason. Maybe they didn't understand autism but IME lots of people don't. All they saw was a woman who was basically saying that her daughter was going to become violent. You can't threaten violence on a plane.

BuildYourOwnSnowman · 11/05/2015 21:21

another passenger may have given up their meal - it may not have been spare. Or a crew member. That might have been why it took so long to get it.

tbh it's really hard for companies because so many people try it on. The airline may well have been receptive to being asked ahead of the flight and that may have resolved the situation.

Also, diverting a plane is hugely expensive so the airline will undoubtedly do a full investigation

ToadsJustFellFromTheSky · 11/05/2015 21:23

And I have autism myself. I am quite aware of it, thanks Hmm.