to ask if anyone has had a psychic reading that was extremely accurate?

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One that could not be down to cold reading. For example, giving out very specific details such as exact dates, unusual names, basically precise facts that cannot be fished for or guessed and are not vague?

It's called 'faith' because there is no evidence, other than 2000 year old stories. What do you say to people of other religions - presumably you acknowledge their deeply held beliefs but are certain they are wrong, despite their holy books and traditions lasting millennia. ? I believe that you believe, but I think you are wrong.

Exactly Heebie even if Rose is certain there is evidence of design and purpose in the universe and a divine hand at work, what makes her so certain it is the work of a single god in the Judeo-Christian tradition? It is a vast leap, based on what?

What is to stop the world being the work of many gods or the work of an a deity or dieties who has constructed multiple worlds? Or a trial run by an apprentice god or gods? There's no more or less evidence for any of these possibilities than there are for a single all powerful god. So why are you a Christian and not a Hindu worshipping multiple gods? The bonkers ELephant headed one looks fun (Ganesha)

you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!

No-you come from being part of the universe, you becomes a different part of the universe, then you go on to being another part of the universe....."we are all star stuff"

Yes, I quite like the 'star' idea :)

Apologies for reposting, but bumbleymummy, you might like this bit of Brian Cox too- we used it at my my mother's funeral. It summed her up perfectly and we all left smiling.

""Our story is the story of the Universe. Every piece of everyone and everything you love, of everything you hate, of everything you hold precious was assembled in the first few minutes of the life of the Universe, and transformed in the hearts of stars, or created in their fiery deaths. When you die, those pieces will be returned to the Universe in the endless cycle of death and rebirth. What a wonderful thing to be part of that Universe. And what a story. What a majestic story!"

Yes, Hak, I think I've read that before from you. It's really beautiful :)

You're being facetious TTWK. You sound like you are living a fulfilling life. I believe it's not in vain because I believe, however if you believe that that is all there is then yes it would be meaningless. In a hundred years time who would care.

No one would care in 100 years, and why would that bother me? Do you worry about anyone caring about you in 100 years? How odd.

In 100 years' time, I won't care about anything either.

Sorry, I'm pages and pages away from the comment I'm replying to, but someone said 'why do they always say it was fine and they felt no pain?'

Well, they don't always. My mum (complete disbeliever) went with her sister in law for support and my grandad who recently died 'came through'. He said it was agony, and he couldn't wait to take his last breath because the pain was too much to bear.

She completely believes now. The things this woman knew. I don't see how anyone could make it up. Random stories from my mums childhood and even a story about the future of my brother which actually was realised a few days later.

I want to see her but I'm a bit scared!

I don't see how anyone could make it up.

Well do a bit a research then. Half an hour on youtube watching videos on psychics exposed will show you how they do it.

I think people come through just as they were, they are the same dead as alive IYSWIM

if you think of it, if it does happen and you can come back for a few minutes, to your child, what would you say? your name, how much you loved them, how you died, and talk about close family members and recent events that you know was particular to you? thats what my mum did...she came back just the same as she was when she was here..and for me that was all I needed.

ssd, I take it from this post that researching confirmation bias hasn't had the result I was hoping it might!

TTWK, I know what I heard, although I appreciate you answering me here.

I really dont mind being questioned, but you have your opinion and I have mine and no one here has experienced being dead yet so none of us for sure can say what happens.

There's not even generally-agreed evidence for the existence of the historical Jesus, leaving aside his divinity. There was a very well-informed debate about it on the philosophy/religion forum a while back.

lipsync could you link it? I thought there was some evidence that he existed from Roman sources, he was mentioned in passing. I've looked for the thread but missed it.

Actually, that's one good thing about the recent trend for bonkers first names- in a few years time, all you will have to say to a psychic is "Ask her how she spells Phoebe...."

no one here has experienced being dead yet

I have! I was dead for billions of years before I was born. And it was fine.

I think it's a great shame that we have different words for the time before you got here and the time after you leave. If people understood that our state is the same in both, i.e., we don't exist, the world would be a better place. There'd be no fear of death because we'd all know we'd been dead in the past and it wasn't unpleasent, and without fear of death, there would have been no need to invent gods to pray to for everlasting life.

And without god and religion, we might have had a chance to actually live in a world closer to paradise that the current one!

TTWK, why is your opinion the only valid one here, I dont understand you forcing your feelings down others throats?

I dont agree with you and I frankly dont care who agrees or disagrees with me, but you arent any more correct on this topic than anyone else.

saw an old chinese man who read my palm in hong Kong. we didn't converse, he just examined my palm and told me what he saw, very specific and very accurate, particularly his advice to watch what I ate as I would get fat. and I did

I know thread has veered off course, but to answer the question directed at me by Hakluyt...

Self confessed- do they say you have two when you actually have one?

Three when I have two.

Meerka, I think this is it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/1699996-The-Great-Jesus-debate-Did-he-exist-at-all-and-if-he-did-what-reasons-do-we-have-to-believe-he-was-divine

(I believe there are references in Josephus and Tacitus, but that some scholars think they were altered or interpolated later...? Nothing at all in the vast Roman record, which is what makes some people very dubious about the historical Jesus, if he was really rattling the authorities and attracting crowds of followers while performing miracles. And of course the gospels are mutually-contradictory hearsay, written later, by believers, rather than objective contemporary 'evidence'.)

Thanks lipsync Ill have a good read of it.

About the Roman record being vast - well it isn't really. It's only a teeny fraction of what was written. There must be countless tens of thousands of notable figures who have been totally forgotten. I suppose in a way it's probably lucky that there were even two contemporaneous references in passing.

I had the impression that rabble-rousing and riot-incitation was a common past time in Palestine. it was a known difficult province to administer iirc?

I like to believe energy just doesn't disappear but that's personal to me and my belief and a lot of belief is about faith and hope-which sometimes you need. I need to believe my baby existed and a part of him still stays with me even if the horrifically named 'POC' have long gone. I don't know that it's a about a soul as such but I take comfort in the fact that his energy went back into me and didn't just cease to exist because it helps me in my grief. I don't believe if I get pregnant again that that energy will come back, that my lost baby will be reborn but it feels like I can protect him this way at least if I couldn't in others. And I'm getting very emotional just writing it.

It may not be true, it could well be a coping technique, I don't care. It helps.

Likewise, DH believes once you're gone, you're gone.He takes comfort in the fact we had our baby for a short time and sees it as him being no longer in pain.

DH and I feel feel very differently about this, we don't talk about it and debate because we know each belief brings us comfort.

Someone told me they were sorry but both of us were 'wrong' and our baby was still with us in spirit and we'd see at the end of our lives. I resent this and it upset me because it's not truth or fact but again belief, and whose to say someone else is wrong just because of your belief? I also feel unconformable about being faced with a baby I've lost and grieve for a and need to accept being gone, especially when I still feel so terribly guilty that I failed to protect. I would resent if if DH had pushed his thoughts on mine and likewise he'd have resented me if I'd done the same.

Soopermum1 out of interest did he hold your wrist/s? Because Chinese medical diagnosis using traditional methods involves doing it and there's belief that you can tell from careful observation of the body who is prone to certain sicknesses. That's going very off-topic so feel free to PM if you want, I'm just curious.

OP were you planning on having a reading and curious or just interested?

TTWK, why is your opinion the only valid one here, I dont understand you forcing your feelings down others throats?

Why shouldn't I give my opinion? You're quite happy to give yours. I'm not threatened by your opinion, why are you so upset when I give mine?

And who made you the forum police anyway?

As for not being any more correct that anyone else, I happen to think I am. Psychics are either frauds or deluded. There is no third option. If you don't want to hear that, no one is forcing you to read it!